NSL Updates - Season 4 & Seeding Matches

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"Many may be wondering what's happening with competitive play now that the Natural Selection 2 World Championships are over. On the heels of, unarguably, the most successful NS2 event, we're going to carry the momentum into Season 4 of the NSL. I hope you're excited, because I've found a renewed enthusiam for NS2 and her community.

With sign ups open for another week until March 8th, we have 48 teams that have signed up. They've been loosely sorted according to Season 3 finishes and roster changes in consideration. Many new teams have answered the call to arms and without a record for comparison or known players, they've been put into Division 3 and 4. The seedings are estimated best guesses and NOT FINAL. These seedings are to help teams get an idea of where they belong and are CONTESTABLE.

If you're comfortable with your team's placement, do nothing more than wait for the schedule to be released in a few weeks. If you think your team's been placed in a division too low for your skill level, please contact me to set up a seeding match with a higher divisioned team. If, on the other hand, you think your team has been placed in a division too high for you skill level, contact me and we can discuss where you can be placed.

How do you dispute these seedings? PLAY A SEEDING MATCH. The format of the seeding match will be 2 rounds on 2 different maps (4 total rounds). The higher seed team picks the first map. The challenger picks a second and different map. Maps can be chosen from the pool of maps in Season 3. Teams play both sides on each map. If the challenger wins the match with a 4-0 or 3-1 result, they'll move up in seeding. If it's 1-3, there will be no change. A result of 2-2 will receive more consideration, but may not mean a change in division or seeding.

Play these matches no later than March 15th. The season will start the following week on March 22nd.

You can contact me through the NSL website PM or if you'd like a more direct and quicker reply, through Steam. Add me. Here are the tentative seedings:

Season 4 Tentative Seedings

Lastly, let's give Singularity a big congratulations for winning the NSL's second Custom Map Cup. Thank you for submitting your feedback for the maps played in this tournament." by Zefram.

Vindaloo's alternative seedings S4

EDIT : Fisk's division suggestions

Feedback?
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That alternate seeding list has Work In Progress and Lucky Fkers in div 2 -and- div 3. Dunno whether that'd change anything on it, but it is very silly -- I mean I know we're awesome and all but we don't need to be in two divisions, haha.
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I see Zefram used the ideas. And yes there are some mistakes in my seedings, but the official document corrects those. So I see no need to update mine. Thanks Zefram. The official list now looks very good. ;)

There are always seeding matches for those who feel they can play higher.
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Funny thing that Virtual Dejection makes it into div1 when they won like 1 marine round during season 3, including play-off (Troll?).
Won't complain though ;).
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If Australia put in a team it could be premiere imo
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Assuming vD are or may be flush against the oF, it seems obvious that they have the level to be div1.
What is the Australia Team Seb?
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seeding looks pretty good to me. good job ensl :) we're probably going to challenge iM or Godar to a seeding match.
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What is the Australia Team Seb?


There isn't one afaik right now, but there were talks of one.
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It's a shame we don't have teams like Ascension or 50 Shades Of Awesome indeed...
What happened to them?
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SohmaIt's a shame we don't have teams like Ascension or 50 Shades Of Awesome indeed...
What happened to them?


Most teams in the Aus scene simply disbanded and reformed. We actually have more teams this season than last. 10 teams as opposed to 8.
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It can be logistically difficult for the Australians to play in the NSL because of the the vast time differences. While 6-7 hours for NA vs EU matches is quite feasible, much more than that and you're playing day and night matches at awkward times. While the NSL will always try to be an inclusive international league, I'll admit that I've paid less attention to our friends from down under because Seb and company have done such a wonderful job at running the AusNS2 League.
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wouldn't it be interesting that teams have to play untill there is a difference of 3 wins / losses?
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That could be an idea for the playoff indeed, was supposed to be so.
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this season will not turn out well if you merge div. 3 and div.4. the new teams that have formed need a lower skill pool to go against. most of the time when div. 3 or higher scrims these newer teams they get rolled and learn nothing other than that they are not good enough. which will most likely end in the team disbanding/quitting. [I.E. ifixit div.4 season 3](they quit cause they felt they couldn't keep up so they disbanded)
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Littleevilwolf[I.E. ifixit div.4 season 3](they quit cause they felt they couldn't keep up so they disbanded)


iFixit disbanded because they decided they couldn't commit the time and energy. Most of the guys coming into the team had literally green names. There's a big difference between a team of pubbies and a team of literal rookies who don't even know the names of lifeforms // structures.
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I'ma see if i can't get my fellers to play in this league too. excuse to get the lazy pricks to practice more. Wish me luck.
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I believe in regards to div 3, there should be some sort of move up after x games or a re-scheduling after x games so the lower teams who maybe very new and might not be on par do not have to play a team who would be leading div 3 with maybe 2 round loses and then get their morale lowered more. for instance, if team A in div 3 plays higher ranked seeds and does not lose many rounds say after 4 games is 4-0 with 1-2 round loses, move them up to div 2, have them scheduled vs a current standing div 2 team see how it plays.
or i am not sure how many games are in the season, but say there 12 games.
after 3 games, schedule reflects top 4 teams playing each other, almost in a round robin, so therefore by week 6/7 if there is a team that has won out and is 6/7-0 move them up

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SohmaIt's a shame we don't have teams like Ascension or 50 Shades Of Awesome indeed...
What happened to them?


50 shades and ascension no longer exist.
asc became envy.
0.o became the bottom end.

With a few player switchups etc.
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Fun times..
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I think the point of the division splits should be to keep similarly-skilled teams together for balanced, exciting games. While I agree that trying to keep division 4 interesting and worthwhile for teams is a good thing, I strongly believe that lumping it together with division 3 will only be counterproductive. The skill gaps will be wider, resulting in more stomps and lower morale particularly for teams in the lower half of div 4, who already have the opportunity to scrimmage against more experienced teams if they find it beneficial. I think the skill gap will be made even worse by grouping; spreading the teams across 3 groups will emphasize the difference in skill and limit the top and bottom teams to maybe one other team in their group that's on par with them. This would make it even more likely that the lower teams may lose most or all of their matches, which would probably work against the league's desire to provide a nurturing environment for fledgling teams.

For teams at the top end of division 3, seeding up to division 2 is probably an improvement, but the division has its own share of balance problems. I think most of its top half is likely to stomp the lower half. It feels like two different skill levels lumped together, much like div 3.

It looks to me like the bottom of div 2 and top of div 3 would make a pretty strong, balanced new division. Teams have been shuffled around a lot between those two already in the tentative seedings, so the lines between them seem pretty blurred, and some of the team orderings seem inexplicable based on season 3 results (Gorge Busters beat Silvermoon, who beat OMNOM, but is behind OMNOM and a division below Silvermoon, all with nearly unchanged rosters). With the new division, the skill range would be smaller across all 3 of these divisions and teams would have a much better chance and a more entertaining time.
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@Fiskbit there will ALWAYS be skillgaps in divisions and there will always be teams that lose most/all their games. It's completely natural. Not everyone can be a winner.
Though I agree with you that division 3 and 4 should not be put together, it makes the skillgap too high and even more frustrating for the new teams that are just starting out. But then again, these teams we are talking about are problably going to lose their matches either way, it's just a matter of how hard they will get beaten.
I think it is mostly about the mentality of the new teams, if they can accept that they will likely lose all their games, I guess they might stick around. Unfortunately it seems to me that it is not how these teams percieve the bigger picture and I think that's the true reason for new teams folding up. Expectations and disappointment.
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