Zeroing in on performance impact as many are doing overlooks what matters more than anything else: none of you has earned any right to see my IRL shit, to be privy to my text or voice chats, or to overburden me with your futile chores. The "punishment" of undeserved slander already exceeds the high crime of having high sens.
You can spectate me. You can request Shadowplay clips. You can horn your grubby little noses into whatever amount of streaming I end up doing on my own terms. That seems to me to afford you all the access you need without dangling threats or crawling much further up my ass than decorum demands. If this somehow turns out to be insufficient we can alter the plan down the line.
And again, folks, is there any way to keep this discussion private up to the point it ought to be? Frontpage-linked forum posts and wondering aloud just stir up shit and carry on the defamation torch of trolls-gone-by. Thanks!!
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Can we just lock and bury this thread already. It's not productive whatsoever.
If someone does manage to get definitive proof that Eddy cheated, we can host a Roast of Simple: Eddy Edition when it happens. Until then, lets kill this thread.
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We have our own rules and own way of doing things, we aren't like a court where the "innocent until proven guilty" applies. If we are suspicious of someone we can discuss this and ask them to provide evidence of them playing fairly.
Back in season 1 to about.. 3(from what i remember) it was required to record demos(which existed back then), these demos had to be saved for an entire season and had to be ready to be uploaded in case it was requested.
These demos are no longer in NS2, What now then? People are suspicious of eddy. So we ask him to record him playing matches so we can check these for suspicious activity. This won't go on forever, but this will be discussed with eddy.
This thread was mostly made to get the word about because of people going "what about eddy and caltech?" "why are you not doing anything about it?" "blablabla"
This topic and future topics will be more heavily moderated. We do not intend to lock this topic.
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Yaluzan has laid down the law on what will happen. He is correct that this is not the American judicial system where innocent until proven guilty applies. We cannot go back and retroactively undo everything the ensl tries to do.
Instead, let's make further discussion about changing the policy for the FUTURE haccusations.
I personally think if demos can be fixed/improved and workable, that is the best solution.
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It looks like Caltech is showing himself out for the most part. So not sure if we have to focus on him, but yes I understand your point. Caltech was doing his own research to try to explain people's specific defenses of the eddy videos. Did he go too far and cross the line even if he made some good points? It looks like they already looked into that. Again, he isn't playing next season and seems to do a gather every once in awhile. Hopefully season 9 is clean. I know I just want to feel like everyone is on an even playing field, I think that is the goal here.
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Why are you "punishing" eddy is there's no proof he did anything? That's ridiculous. If there's suspicion, he should be watched. Even asked to provide demos. Announcing to the entire community that he's receiving punishment though? That makes him look awful. Do you really have enough players that you can afford to ostracize them? Not just eddy, but people who are close with him. Situations like this will leave a bad taste in people's mouths and resentment.
Wording is super important. You guys should have just said that you're asking him to provide recordings of his matches to ensure that he was legit, rather than phrasing it like he's already guilty / a cheater. If he were cheating, why wouldn't you ban him? And if there's not enough proof that he is cheating, you shouldn't be giving the impression that he is.
There is NOTHING in the rules about suspected cheaters. If you're going to pull something like this, it needs to be reflected in the rules: If the admins have enough reason to find you suspicious, they can privately request that you either A. stream your matches live to twitch or B. record locally and provide the recordings to the admins within 3 days of the match.
Additionally, if you guys are going with the "guilty til proven innocent" thing, then why aren't all players forced to stream their matches? What if I decide I think Simba is a filthy filthy cheater and I raise a big stink about it? Is he going to be forced to stream his matches? What's the process for deciding someone needs to record? Just when there's enough people complaining? After a referee watches him in a match? Referee and admin? All this shit should be hammered out in a clear format. Otherwise, it just looks like the admins are doing whatever they feel like. It shouldn't be up to one person, either (though I'm sure this situation was a group decision). If Yalu decides he really dislikes Wob, he can just be like YO wob fuck you, you gotta stream now or you can't play in the NSL. There should be a clear cut reason to request recordings and it should have to be signed off on by MULTIPLE people, at least 3-4.
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I totally agree with you, let's rely on the garbage Natural Selection 2 spectating system to gather suitable proof when it comes to suspected cheaters just like we did with simple, regardless of how blatant he was at times it wasn't enough for sufficient evidence. The demo system currently in the game is unreliable and unstable, requesting local-recordings & streaming is the next step regardless of performance issues. Being forced to local-record or better stream is the next step regardless of the argument, claiming that to be a punishment is laughable.
We did ask CalTech not to make the accusations & videos public so we could deal with this in a more "secretive manner", both for the sake of those involved & to prevent this drama-fueled community from having a stroke. He published everything regardless which gave eddy a free pass & eliminated all hope of us dealing with it privately. Past complications where the staff has chosen to be more secretive than not usually ends up the same, where people complain about being kept in the dark & now vice versa.
TL;DR Everything was made public so we addressed the issue & declared our plans, all this fuss is more foolish than the CS:GO pro player bullying, laughable.
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I watched the videos. At full speed, some of the clips are pretty suspicious. I have no idea why he is jittering so much when he tries to aim. If these videos were representative of eddy's typical game play, as opposed to cherry picked examples, then I'd think it would be prudent to continue monitoring him. At 0.25x speed, I was much less convinced. I saw a solid quarter second reaction time (normal), overaiming (normal) and firing off target and missing. I didn't see evilbot style obvious aimbotting, but you don't have to be blatant to be cheating. He could be cheating and it is obscured by a poor ns2 spectator system. He could be legit and is suspected because of a poor ns2 spectator system.
I, personally, am left unconvinced of cheating, but think there is enough to justify an investigation. I'm not sure that it is fair to eddy that he is punished when it has not been proven that he has done anything. If I were him, I would stream because that is the biggest F U to any false hack call.
P.S. I don't know eddy at all outside of friend of friends. No personal bias one way or another. I'm also not a human VAC, but I have seen a lot of really good shooters and a lot of aimbots. These videos didn't really look like either.
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Are these videos from 1st person spec? Jitter probably from imperfections of how that's programmed?
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He do not play with high sens, look his stream. His mice movements pretty slow and smooth, until he begins shooting.
