mp, criticizing is one thing but when it's about something like not making an admin decision in under a week... that's just dumb; if you truly want to be constructive, then be reasonable.

people want others to be sportsmen, it improves the community spirit; can you honestly tell me that people equally want both jiriki and jimmis in the league? HAH.. I don't think you can, that's just redonkeylous .

qin, i know which one you're talking about but you can easily see that the walls lose lots of details and that would make aliens stand out more as there detail would be constant.

Yeah that definitely looks plain enough to be banned.

And where is Tane ?

Again you cannot blame Tane because he got permission from b1 seasons ago.

aA

we shouldnt be the ones that brought it up in the 1st place, it should be you or other admin, these are your tasks as admins, if you receive screenshots you check them if they are clear... be resposible, dont try make us resposible for this problem since it's you who fucked up. you had almost a week to check this out."

Actually I checked all of them, but I didn't find any of them objectable because I thought it was just a graphical glitch, caused by low LOD calculation because others screens had same level of detail (you can see this happening in Hammer aswell if you enter wrong parameters for a texture). I was mainly looking for obvious WH etc. Although I just made a quick look over the shots since it wasn't really my job. If you do the same, that veil shot isn't anything special imo.

There's no need to "blame" anyone here. My point is, by the time you showed you had a problem with low (not ultra-low like MP's though) LOD, it was too late to change rules for this match. I never said we couldn't change it afterwards though, on the contrary.

Also aA the problem is that you're going to need several pairs of eyes to check whether some LOD setting is too much. This is something we need to check from screenshots. I don't trust any single person's eyes to be precise enough. Of course we could just ban all LOD changes completely but we still need to use screens to check it out and there will be margin for error.

Also I made a new poll. This is more useful and it seemed like people confused which screenshot we were talking about.

Let's try to stay friendly here, its christmas even.

so i am allowed to use my patch? HURRRAAAAY!

lump:
aa... if you think sportsmanship needs to be written and explained in rules.. go find another league, no1 wants you here.

i think you're a smart guy here with tendency to think he's the smartest guy around, if we didnt go that way as we did, wouldnt tO be considered the ones with no sportsmanship cause u go had no real commander at that time? and they just took an easy win, which they tried, it's simply like that they tryed to fuck up someone so it all came back to them and they got fucked instead, they've got what they wanted.

mp: i dont think i critize something here, i just point out things that aren't working, it all depends on your point of view, if you're taking my words as an attack the result will be non other then that certain person will think it's a critizise instead of constructive opinion and maybe he'll think "aha" and say maybe that's a good idea, lets check it.

surely 10 mile sound and all that other crap you kids boast about are much more game breaking than turning natural selection into warsow :P although this is pretty cheap atleast in this instance it isnt providing the player with additional information compared to people who arent using it :P it merely simplifies the process (obviously I'm not siding with anyone here I'm just trying to say there's a lot of crap out there we tolerate, clearing visuals isn't much different to clearing audio, which you all seem to heartily condone; maybe that's because some of those things can't be moderated but extra data is a greater advantage over cleareer data in this sort of situation... probably :P)

Happy Christmas! You did have fun with playing with LOD or something else than picmip 3 mp, Nice job! I bet you need sv_cheats for that or turn consistency off

There is other way to do it:
http://tf2scout.blogspot.com/2009/07/high-lod-picmip-hack-for-tf2.html

That clear picmic 3 is old CS trick. Open NS and start some map.
If you use picmip 0 then everything is fine. Now put picmic 3 to console and start new map,, voila picmic walls on. You need to do this every time when you open ns

The thing is engine wont draw objects more than once so map is only object that need to compile every time and some sprites that aren't used like MT sprite.

That isn't white walls (Jiriki's shot), but it will give a little advantage (also it will make every vent "no can see" and some people just cant use those ugly textures)

If picmic really make you angry then block it to next season or night cups if you need to (And check screen shots every time.. happy job time for admins). Though NS2 will come someday (hope it's playABLE) and NS1 is more or less dead anyway.

Even "aA fps_max 200" should be blocked if you ask me (cl_rate wont be enough). Or we could block certain fps areas wich will give better gunfire.. There is so much to improve if we just want to do it (the old shit buggy HL1 engine).. like Ziggy said there is badder ass stuff to cheat than picmip 3.

Great job nade. Lets make it even more publically viable for people to use.

When i read some people's opinion, i am really surprised that they dont't see it as a clear "cheat/hack". Don't ever come talking to me again about fairplay.

I neither need sv_cheats 1 or consistency off nde.
And i didn't post the way how i made this on purpose TO NOT PUBLISH IT.
gg Nade.

"Even "aA fps_max 200" should be blocked if you ask me (cl_rate wont be enough). Or we could block certain fps areas wich will give better gunfire.. There is so much to improve if we just want to do it (the old shit buggy HL1 engine).. like Ziggy said there is badder ass stuff to cheat than picmip 3."

this influences a game by such a low level that it doesnt matter.
I rather play with 125 fps than with 76 although 76 has a better gunfire rate.

Thats just stupid.
Tane crossed a line there which should not be crossed.
You try to defend him and you fail at doing so.

lul at last sentence

lmg firing rate is the fastest on 20 fps but its unplayable so use 200 instead (i use 200 :P) if u dont have a proper PC to run on 200 or 2000 u dont really care about gaming
http://www.evolvens.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1055
lmg rate of fire: http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7928/lmgrofal1.gif
fps effect on movement speed: http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=timemultipliervsfps21io.jpg
and the rateoffire fps dependency bug is in the NS client code not in the HL engine! so blame Flayra
its very very easy to fix in source code!! but nobody really cares, its a shame

how emberassing, reminds me of the time levitacus players were using white walls.
i guess old habits die hard ay :S

i never would have thought that this could be a prob

i mean everyone in his right mind should see that lowering appearance like that is not ok it is not the way developers intended this game to be ... especially in NS (ppl mentioned the reasons with the sneak and camp)

My Personal opinion is that when i am one of the best in a game (dont like to admit it but well tane is) you shouldnt screw other ppl even more over by using stuff like that .. it is just so lacking any morals or honor ... HORRIBLE !!

BAN IT ENTIRLY!! and get rid of Tane too !

I have used gl_picmic 3 just over year so I'm sorry to disappoint those who though that simple command made me player I am. I think most of you agree that my "golden age" was about 4-3 years ago. It seems that this "hax" actually made me worse player than I used to be! Such an advantage indeed!

I don't understand either how can you compare my configs to whitewalls. In my walls original color of the wall don’t change. By the way it is really nice that you keep posting that one ss were walls are really bright normally over and over again and ingore other ss. To be honest when I did get information to use picmic3 I had hard time to decide would that even actually make my configs better. But sure it gave advantage but it didn't gave bigger advantage than new mouse or new headsets and definitely not as big advantage as 120 Hz monitor. I actually asked admins during season 11-12 to take more ss so this proofs that I never thought gl_picmic3 to be hax. I have also always been open my configs and people have seen ss from my configs before this and some of them were admins.

I do understand that you think gl_picmic3 gives way too big advantage but like Nade already point out picmic3 isn't only problem. If my computer could handle 200fps and I had to choose which command I want to keep in my configs picpim3 or fps_max200 I would choose fps_max. I have played this game with 200fps and its way smoother and have bigger rof than 111fps. The two most important things in shooting. Also I would like to remind you that sprite manipulation we see in NLpack also gives one advantage over other who doesn't use it. Unlike in picmic3 you need much more "secret knowledge" to use nlpack than in picpim3. Were we put the line?

I never thought gl_picmic3 to be equal to whitewalls and I thought it was common knowledge. If this community decides that it gives way too big advantage I’m more than happy own your ass without it like I used to.

editing sprites like crosshairs it´s something personal. I d compare it to table tennis. U can setup your own bat the way u like (within reasonable borders) but u cant modify the table (picmic :D) since both players have to use the same table. So in this example the table should be seen as the map.

What about brightness of the table and external devices to make your swing harder?

Gaming will never be equally fair. If you cant accept the fact that someone is using ww's , gammahax , ultimate crosshairs , sprites or whatever then go bite your thummy and cry. It is only better if they provide you more challenge this way making the game slightly more interesting.

haha Tane your golden times have been 4-3 years ago?
What was better than your marine or your not existing movement in a game which depends so hard on movement.
You also have to admit that you play less than you played before. Don't just blame the setting thats stupid man. But nice try to move the topic.

To the FPS - There are minimum requirements, if your computer doesn't fullfill them you can't play the game. If your computer lacks a good CPU or GPU it is not the problem of your enemy. If you want to play decend get decend stuff.
Else its like -> MY MOUSE IS SHIT I USE AN AIMBOT, IT IS LAGGING WTF CAN I DO ABOUT THIS??? I JUST HAVE TO INCREASE MY AIM SOMEHOW!!!

"Gaming will never be equally fair. If you cant accept the fact that someone is using ww's , gammahax , ultimate crosshairs , sprites or whatever then go bite your thummy and cry. It is only better if they provide you more challenge this way making the game slightly more interesting."

RL is also never fair, the one got longer arms so he can swim faster and youre fucked because youre a fucking orc with 20 cm arms. Thats life. But the Computer gives you the possibility to jump over these natural limits. IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET EQUAL SETUP. Thats fair.

So you will be the one to sponsor everyone equally good computers, internets, playing enviroment and same taste for other various settings. Goodluck

Almaty you are bad learn 2 caps.

tbh in mps last sentence is some truth...

TrC. if you would use your brain a bit you would understand why MMORPGs are so famous. Well i can tell you if you dont know:
In the most cases it is not the Manager of a company who plays this shit. In the most cases it is actually the standard human, who is not the most successful man in his environment. So he trys to escape from daily routine and from the ' surpression ' he faces every day.
He can do so because EVERYONE IS TREATED IN THE SAME WAY.

Well NS is no MMORPG so far but it also uses the same platform. The idea of Playing with a artificial system is to give both parties same conditions. Look at Systems like the GameCube or the Xbox the equality is there to the MAX. People like RUTIX (who have 2 fingers in RL) beat people like you just because of this system. The keyword here is EQUALITY. People seek equality since their existence.

You are talking of ' same Systems ' that means you are offending the platform which is connecting us. Ofc. it is important but you touch the problem from the wrong side. I mean if min requirements are 1 GhZ
EVERYONE with 1 GhZ got the same conditions as the guy with 3 GhZ if there is a Setting Limit. Look at the Internet Connections, the League set Limits there Already -> Pingwise. It is working. It is ok. It always was.

Therefore I am fighting here for clear borders. For equality.


TrC if you try to offend me somehow you fail hard at doing so. Just think about the stuff before you write something. It happens too often that you write before you think.

The keyword here is EQUALITY

wow u starting to float ur communism again ^^ !

well the ideas of communism are longer than communism itself.
We don't talk of the experiments - sowjetunion. We talk about the same what is written in the American Declaration of Independence ' All men are created equal '

It has nothing to do with communism itself. Eistee.

haha Tane your golden times have been 4-3 years ago?
What was better than your marine or your not existing movement in a game which depends so hard on movement.
You also have to admit that you play less than you played before. Don't just blame the setting thats stupid man. But nice try to move the topic.

way to go stating the obvious, idiot. you didnt stop to think maybe he was joking? and how nice of you to change the topic. although it seems your point got lost somewhere. tane was allowed to use that settings, and he doesnt have a problem to stop using it. so what the fuck is the problem?

To the FPS - There are minimum requirements, if your computer doesn't fullfill them you can't play the game. If your computer lacks a good CPU or GPU it is not the problem of your enemy. If you want to play decend get decend stuff.
Else its like -> MY MOUSE IS SHIT I USE AN AIMBOT, IT IS LAGGING WTF CAN I DO ABOUT THIS??? I JUST HAVE TO INCREASE MY AIM SOMEHOW!!!

200 fps is not a minimum requirement. and it is obvious that fps changes your rate of fire and movement speed. so there we have a different play level?

if you want to play decent get decent configs, its not the enemys problem. or do you play with help messages on and default crosshairs? the point is that a level playing field is agreed on, fairly.

youre being unbelievably selfish with your attitude, that is that YOUR advantages are completely okay, but as Tane was using something you didnt know was allowed youre pissed off. grow up.

Does everyone reg same, does everyone have same ping no? Wtf is your point in MMORPGS, tweaking is happening like anywhere else everyone doesnt have server running nextdoor and in games where claiming monsters
häving 0.1 sec delay to 2sec delay theres obvioosly difference.

XBOX is the same as "same computer" thus equal performance but it makes difference in ping diffierences and is very limited.

You are not making sense, there will be no perfect equality in gaming
if you are unhappy with someone elses settings try them yourself and dont come crying here when you dont like them.

There will never be a level playing field, no doubt about that. Still, there's no need to give up the whole thingy because perfection is impossible. The big deal is finding the rules where you're making the game somewhat equal without involving massive limitations to preference or creating huge amount of extra nuisance for little equality gain.

For example limiting picmip values through plugin shouldn't be a big deal unless someone feels they're for some reason forced to use such settings. Still, I wouldn't place any big FPS caps right away, since it affects the game in quite a few ways and makes it much a preference also (I'm running unstable 100 myself).

lets set fps_max 60 with plugin.. gotta be fun

anybody ever tried hiding in the bushes in Medal of Honor with high picmip? its a joke, thank god that there are no bushes in NS :D
(bush textures disappear with high picmip)
using picmips are not a big deal, if u want no configurable games play mario or xbox
the greatest thing in the PC is that u can customize it personally same for the pc games, its great!
config is not wallhack and no aimbot but textures and lights are important for skulk game mechanic
(a year ago i used red alien models on public servers :) who cares, ensl consistency disables them)
u blame the others who try hacking because u are too dumb to do so or just believe in equality, survival of the fitest means somethign for u or maybe natural selection?
lol
happy hangover for everyone!