-Some people seem to be saying "Fades don't need a 3rd hive ability since all the other lifeforms already have strong 3rd hive abilities." It's kind of a slap in the face to people that play Fade's as their main lifeforms. While yes, we shouldn't change something just to change it, you are making it sound like we shouldn't even consider any ideas for an alternative to Stab. While every other lifeforms scales better with a 3rd hive, Fades essentially have a broken/useless 3rd hive ability. Are we just saying "tough shit?" Coming up with a practical skill for Fades shouldn't be looked at as so offsetting for balance. Researching one skill over another skill on a third hive will always have opportunity cost. If you go with a 3rd tier Fade upgrade that means your forgoing the utility of another 3rd hive ability. Right now, there isn't a viable 3rd tier upgrade for Fades so let's think of something that would be practical.

Wob says

I'm not inclined to change fade 3rd ability just to make it used more often. It needs to be a fix/counter to something.

Then i'm going to have to agree with aimee... why not just remove it then?

We have been discussing that exact topic in Slack today, but the fact is... IF the aliens actually manage to get 3 hives and fully tech up... they SHOULD be able to win 1 v 1... look at it this way.

If you have W3 + A3, JPs + HMGs/Shotguns... Lerks die VERY fast... Gorges do the same... Onos are taken down pretty easily... which makes fades the only real line of defense in that situation...

if both marines and aliens are fully tech'ed up, aliens should have an advantage... to get to 3 hives + all upgrades, the aliens have to have done a LOT of good work both offensively and defensively.

Making it so that the most mobile lifeform doesn't lose all of its mobility during its high tech attack won't be groundbreaking, it won't be game breaking either... but imo, it is a welcome addition.

We have been discussing that exact topic in Slack today, but the fact is... IF the aliens actually manage to get 3 hives and fully tech up... they SHOULD be able to win 1 v 1... look at it this way.

If you have W3 + A3, JPs + HMGs/Shotguns... Lerks die VERY fast... Gorges do the same... Onos are taken down pretty easily... which makes fades the only real line of defense in that situation... if both marines and aliens are fully tech'ed up, aliens should have an advantage... to get to 3 hives + all upgrades, the aliens have to have done a LOT of good work both offensively and defensively.

This is becoming rather annoying

Thinking more on this, i do agree that giving fade an instant 160 damage with a cooldown could be to strong, with a lifefrom that is already strong enough, think how hard it can be to kill a fade, this would just make it so much harder to engage with fades and would create another fade "Explosion" another fade ball, we all remember how bad / hard the last time we had this? 5 fades super OP with shadowstep / bhop so fast, couldnt kill.


So Dont change something thats not broke for the sake of changing it. Either remove it, or keep it.

I say keep it as it is.

3. IT ALREADY DOES 160 DAMAGE!!!! I cannot stress that enough... you can't say "leave it as it is" when it already does the damage you're complaining about.

Kash says

3. IT ALREADY DOES 160 DAMAGE!!!! I cannot stress that enough... you can't say "leave it as it is" when it already does the damage you're complaining about.

Yes, but it has to be timed to hit, there for making it a choice for the player, "shall i charge this up, and do 160 damage, but at the same time, make myself weak" its the trade off for it,

My point being, is that stab is something no one uses as there is other far better to be used / researched.

What your suggesting would be something then to replace Stab, cause it would'nt be stab anymore, might as well increase fade damage if they hit the marine from the back, that sound good? better yet, Stab should = Instant kill for who ever gets hit with it. lets just fuck balance and break shit.

Your comment made no sense to me, Bauer.

You know you can blink, bhop, and charge stab?

Alternative to stab could be an ability to upgrade the weapon type of swipe from light to normal. This would not buff fades vs players. But would allow to actually do structure damage.

Aimee says

Alternative to stab could be an ability to upgrade the weapon type of swipe from light to normal. This would not buff fades vs players. But would allow to actually do structure damage.

aaaaand we're back to fade balling.

Kash says

Aimee says

Alternative to stab could be an ability to upgrade the weapon type of swipe from light to normal. This would not buff fades vs players. But would allow to actually do structure damage.

aaaaand we're back to fade balling.

Yes. Make it so.

Aint no party like a fade ball party. Put your claws in the air! Swing and miss like you just dont care!