Feature of add classic gather pool to invitational

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12 August 2017 - 03:42 YEKT
#1
There is many times happened that I saw 10/12 in a classic gather and 10/12 in a invitational for more than a hour. This is bullshit. Why not let to add a classic gather pool to the invitational?
How it works: players in the invitational gather are voting for add classic pool to the invitational one. Then, if there is enough players, the gather is starting with entire pool (22 players max) and captains are picking the best 12.
So there won't situation with waiting 10/12 in both gathers and players from a classic one get an opportunity to play in the invitational.
This feature is already implemented, no coding needed. All I need is just your opinions, critics and maybe some bugfixes later.
So, do we need this shit or fuck it?
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12 August 2017 - 03:55 YEKT
#2

Myx says

There is many times happened that I saw 10/12 in a classic gather and 10/12 in a invitational for more than a hour. This is bullshit. Why not let to add a classic gather pool to the invitational?
How it works: players in the invitational gather are voting for add classic pool to the invitational one. Then, if there is enough players, the gather is starting with entire pool (22 players max) and captains are picking the best 12.
So there won't situation with waiting 10/12 in both gathers and players from a classic one get an opportunity to play in the invitational.
This feature is already implemented, no coding needed. All I need is just your opinions, critics and maybe some bugfixes later.
So, do we need this shit or fuck it?




How is there both no coding needed and maybe some bugfixes later?

My opinion: Fuck it.
My critique: If this is implemented, after the Captains pick the(supposedly) best 12 players, you would have (in your example of 10/12 + 10/12) 8 people left in classic gather who now have even less chance of playing that night.
Sometimes when you see 10/12 in Classic and 10/12 in Invitational, a lot of people are queued up for both gathers, which shouldn't be a thing, but it is, and I think this might be misleading you a little bit.
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12 August 2017 - 04:06 YEKT
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medi0crates says

How is there both no coding needed and maybe some bugfixes later?



Damn, do you often meet a code that is bug-free from the very beginning?


medi0crates says

8 people left in classic gather who now have even less chance of playing that night



Yeah, I thought about that. That's why I need your opinions, especcialy from those who play classic mostly.
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12 August 2017 - 05:26 YEKT
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I don't see the use for this. The gathers are separate for a reason. If invite players wanted to join a regular gather, they would have; you can even queue for both at the same time. What your system will do is pick all the invite players, then fill the rest with regular players (assuming invite players are generally higher-skilled). This forces some regular players to play with invite players, which I know personally I rarely want to do. And of course it forces invite players to play with regular players, which defeats the whole purpose of invite gathers.
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12 August 2017 - 06:13 YEKT
#5

Keats says

which I know personally I rarely want to do.



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12 August 2017 - 18:01 YEKT
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Keats says

The gathers are separate for a reason. If invite players wanted to join a regular gather, they would have; you can even queue for both at the same time.



Nope. In regular gather there can be players you want to avoid at all. But you will really forced to play with them, if you join this regular one.


Keats says

This forces some regular players to play with invite players




Keats says

And of course it forces invite players to play with regular players, which defeats the whole purpose of invite gathers



Nobody force anyone.
At first, there will be a vote among the invite gather players (like 'regather' button). Don't want it? Don't vote. Easy. It is literally nothing change if invited gatherers do not decide to use it.
Secondly, a regular player, if he got into invite pool, he could just go out. It will not stop the gathering if there is more than 12 players left. Also he is not kicked from regular one, he just could continue to be there.
Thirdly, and most important, it solves the problem, that invitational gather is overcrowded by middle-skilled players, just for the purpose to maintain playerbase. That's why probably some really high-skilled players don't join invitational now. So you can just kick all the middle-skilled trial players (like me) and play your own game, and if you need a couple of players to get 12, just get the regular pool by a democratic vote and captains will select the bests.
Or if you don't want to kick trial players to get high-skilled players back, don't kick. Leave as is.
But if you tired to wait, when 12 players pool will be filled (you just need 1-2 more for example), just use the feature.
To sum up, it doesn't change the system in general, it does not force anyone to do anything. It just gives you the opportunity. An opportunity for non-invited players to play in the invitational gather. An opportunity for invited players to play with regular ones WITHOUT inviting them into your group, so they will not overcrowd it and will not crowd out high-skilled players from invitational gather.
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13 August 2017 - 19:42 YEKT
#7
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Your idea doesn't force people to do something till a vote. People are bad at voting. Also, let's say a vote passes to do your system, it's probably going to be determined by the couple people that choose to vote. Even if that's not the case and most invite players vote for it, you're still forcing the people to play it that didn't want it. Also, your forcing the non invite players to play with invite players if they are chosen. Or they are put in a spot where they have to decide to leave the gather or not.

Your idea is a good one in that you're trying to fix 2 groups of people waiting to play with a captain system. I guess the only way I can see this working is. You would have a 3rd gather queue. So let's say you join a gather , you can check if you're interested in the best available option between invite and classic. So if there's enough people that want to do this, the mix of players would be queued up for a gather. But again, why couldn't a invite player just queue up for both classic and invite if they are OK with best available? It seems like the choice is already there, since you can queue up for both gathers.
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16 August 2017 - 22:56 YEKT
#8
Keep em seperated, that point of "hes gonna learn more in invitational" is bullshit, classic gather itself is more competative oriented pub where people are expected to play better (whether or not we actualy put in the effort to do so is besides the point) Invitational are strict high level play (I think as in I stopped watching or following how you guys are acting in there - same old jackasses or you actually put effort into playing) that should offer next level gather experience.
If a normie classic guy wants to join he can go through the joining process (also dont know what it is since I was never interested in them)
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16 August 2017 - 23:10 YEKT
#9
If we are talking about what feature we want is, from my point of view (coz I keep fucking up in this regard)

I would love an option in settings (like where you choose lifeforms) where the site would avto kick/leave you from gathers in x amount of minutes.

Reason, I keep getting banned coz I'm a no show in gathers - not complaining about it but still I always fuck up coz the classic gathers if they happen they happen super late at witch point I forget to leave and go to sleep.
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