Other people believe when you nerf something enough, you should just take it out of the game like focus.

when cysts had tons of HP. Now that they dont, they just die too fast, and it is one of the most boring things to do as a comm. Its easy anyway to clear the cysts now that its only 180 HP

To counter spores better, change how the medpacks work instead. Meaning the healing of the 25 HOT from the medpack is active for, what, 5 seconds, and keeps healing despite reaching 100 HP.

Right now we dont need a comp mod in the degree that it is being taken too. Later, once the scene is more lively again, we could diffenetly look into a more changing metagame, to make sure that the game doesn't become stale, which was the idea from comp mod at the very beginning. That just cannot be done, as the scene needs players atm.

"At its very core, we would simply like games to be played, in the hopes that this fosters tangible and meaningful relationships among its participants." UWE has the mantra: "Unite the world through play". I dont see how that differs from each other, keats :)

Right now we dont need a comp mod in the degree that it is being taken too. Later, once the scene is more lively again, we could diffenetly look into a more changing metagame, to make sure that the game doesn't become stale, which was the idea from comp mod at the very beginning. That just cannot be done, as the scene needs players atm.

"At its very core, we would simply like games to be played, in the hopes that this fosters tangible and meaningful relationships among its participants." UWE has the mantra: "Unite the world through play". I dont see how that differs from each other, keats :)

but when you've got developers with 0 competitive experience, spewing out things like recharge onos armor with boneshield?

ryssk says

but when you've got developers with 0 competitive experience, spewing out things like recharge onos armor with boneshield?

Rantology was a part of titus, who won several championships in this very scene. Ghoul was a proffesional cs 1.6 player for nFaculty - he even got his old teammates to play against Archeia, having his own team practice for an hour or two. They then played against Archeia, with the result 1|1 - both marine wins. McGlaspie was a national UT champion.

Several of the developers have more competitive experience than many players in this competitive scene. Why boneshield happened like the way it did, I haven't the faintest fucking clue. When I asked, they wouldn't give me the exact reason, but suffice to say, that these three developers who all have won money playing games, were outnumbered. But that is just guessing as I never was given an exact reason.



I have never said we dont need comp mod. Even the quote you point to only says, that I dislike the degree it currently alters the game, when considering the points I have put up.

Deck says

Other people believe when you nerf something enough, you should just take it out of the game like focus.

Imagine if LoL or Dota went with this ideology. "Oh that champion needs a nerf. *SNIP SNIP* -> trashcan." Same goes with almost any other competitive game. I can't recall any big esports game completely removing something from the game, because it was unbalanced. At most they nerfed it hard, and then started to buff it slightly, step by step. They however had a huge datapool to get results from, which allows them, what could be classified "careful guessing"

Its not a great way to think, and hurts games and further development, for a extreemely shortsighted boost, which never actually has any severe impact.

I don't even understand what you're trying to accomplish

We also wanted to make additional changes to Comp Mod to hopefully change the game-play on marines somewhat. The idea is, there might be too much incentive for marines to sit on their res and wait for jps. We are changing Catpacks and Jps (testing in gathers, we can always make additional changes or change it back). I want to make this clear, this idea is not intended to make marines way stronger. If the cheaper cat packs result in that, we will change the cat packs back. The goal is to make marines consider using cat packs over jp's as we feel like the gameplay could be stronger. So even if we have to make changes later, it might result in more cat packs being used, and marines rushing earlier in the game.

If you are still up for experimentation changing the research cost of cats from 15 to 10 might be worth trying. 3 res for a single catpack is a fair price, 2 is most probably OP. I find the research a bit difficult to squeeze in however at 15 res, which IMO is the biggest reason why we don't see them more often. (The same change could be tried with nanoshield btw. also research time on those things is faaar too long)

how the catpacks are playing

Posting this while I remember, can talk more about it later.

There is a big problem with hitboxes right now: they are honestly too big on the skulk + lerk.
It seems you reverted the fade one but left it pub like on those 2?

UWE doesnt really balance the game around people who can aim, otherwise they would never have changed those.
You balance a game around (potentially) it's best "performance" ie: good framerate, minimum latency.
On lan I can honestly tell you marines were allready massively overpowered.

So rines are OP and it comes down (in part) to something people talked about a long time ago: the SG is just too fucking good in this game.

Right now when SG pop up they have an insane snowballing effect on the game, you literally can't crush a group of marines with skulks and lerks, or it takes a far too big commitment from the alien team: 5 aliens, every drifter abilities, higher lifeforms tanking in shots etc... and even then because of the hitboxes what happens 90% of the time is 1 lmg being able to mitigate lerks involvement and 1 SG destroying 4 skulks because it's so easy to hit them.

Strategically speaking we would always try too SG push the 2nd hive before it built up sometimes winning the fight sometimes losing it, but right now it just doesn't make sense not to try to push it since this kind of push is massiveley in the marines's favor.