Hint - When trying to get a PCW, don't be a dbag.

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16 October 2013 - 19:25 -03
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Just finished pcw with hardday. and instantly got one with GF. 11pm here in UK so some of our team left for the night. This is what greeted us. Take a chill pill lads.

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16 October 2013 - 19:59 -03
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Very out of context, but cool story.

You ask us for PCW.

We join straight after your PCW with hardday. We ask you to join up seeing as you were just here. "Get on fucking aliens" is banter, "get yo shit together" is banter, wait 5 mins, no sign of activity, late at night, ask hardday to play.

Banter proven "excuse my rage", "you don't want to see dannbzy xenocide" ":D"

Light hearted. Sorry you took this seriously. Sorry you also posted this in order to humiliate us.

Poor form lads.
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16 October 2013 - 20:19 -03
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Wob stop the drama!
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16 October 2013 - 20:32 -03
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Also Wob was drunk.
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16 October 2013 - 22:54 -03
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What's the point of posting that on the forum?
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17 October 2013 - 03:29 -03
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Wob is like Pipo, drunk all the time! :D
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17 October 2013 - 04:24 -03
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SohmaWhat's the point of posting that on the forum?


Drama and shit stirring.

I'm not terribly fussed either way. Everyone knows I always tease my opponents and I'm not _that_ bad to play with!

Apparently these guys took it to heart and then made it personal with that comment to Danny.
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17 October 2013 - 05:13 -03
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@Sohma It was posted on the forum because it was hilarious.

@Wob said "Banter proven "excuse my rage", "you don't want to see dannbzy xenocide""

Excuse my rage was said by Danny straight after he said "I've been waiting this shit since 11" (convenient you missed that bit out, also ironic as you go onto talk about putting things out of context.) Sounds to me like he was raging and apologising for being out of line, not that it was banter.

You also quoted "you don't want to see dannbzy xenocide" - this was said by someone who wasn't the problem (king_yo) so I find it completely irrelevant that you would quote this in defence of you and danny raging?

"You ask us for PCW." - No we didnt. One of your guys asked me for PCW while we were in the middle of playing hard.day, I quickly replied "maybe after this", nothing was arranged, get your facts right.

"Everyone knows I always tease my opponents and I'm not _that_ bad to play with" - I've played with you in pubs, you think your much better than what you actually are and ragequit when you get a bad score.

@king_yo said "Also Wob was drunk." - Completely irrelevant, if you cant handle your drink don't come online acting a (insert French here).

Also interested to hear how a screenshot can be put out of context? Its not shit stirring the facts are the facts, if anything we missed the most aggressive bits out as you can see the first thing I say is "you sound mad bro".

I think it boils down to Wob being stressed we beat him the night before when he turned up to play our Div3 clan with Div1 mercs. What is still even funny now is that he had to turn up the night after with Prem mercs lol. We are D3 guys get a grip.
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17 October 2013 - 05:42 -03
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Danny should be banned. Too nibz to stir up real drama.
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17 October 2013 - 05:44 -03
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17 October 2013 - 07:38 -03
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Kilo@Sohma It was posted on the forum because it was hilarious.

@Wob said "Banter proven "excuse my rage", "you don't want to see dannbzy xenocide""

Excuse my rage was said by Danny straight after he said "I've been waiting this shit since 11" (convenient you missed that bit out, also ironic as you go onto talk about putting things out of context.) Sounds to me like he was raging and apologising for being out of line, not that it was banter.

You also quoted "you don't want to see dannbzy xenocide" - this was said by someone who wasn't the problem (king_yo) so I find it completely irrelevant that you would quote this in defence of you and danny raging?

"You ask us for PCW." - No we didnt. One of your guys asked me for PCW while we were in the middle of playing hard.day, I quickly replied "maybe after this", nothing was arranged, get your facts right.

"Everyone knows I always tease my opponents and I'm not _that_ bad to play with" - I've played with you in pubs, you think your much better than what you actually are and ragequit when you get a bad score.

@king_yo said "Also Wob was drunk." - Completely irrelevant, if you cant handle your drink don't come online acting a (insert French here).

Also interested to hear how a screenshot can be put out of context? Its not shit stirring the facts are the facts, if anything we missed the most aggressive bits out as you can see the first thing I say is "you sound mad bro".

I think it boils down to Wob being stressed we beat him the night before when he turned up to play our Div3 clan with Div1 mercs. What is still even funny now is that he had to turn up the night after with Prem mercs lol. We are D3 guys get a grip.


Welp, here comes the drama. Get your popcorn! Oh and please don't lock this thread, we haven't had something this exciting for a while now.

I defend myself and I defend the people I play with when things get personal. I have a sense of boundaries.
When you personally told Danny to stfu, I took that to heart because I believe that asking a team to join up with phrases like "get yo shit together" is cordial, with emphasis on "yo" being contemporary language used to convey a sense of gang fighting (team v team). However telling an individual to stfu is, by definition, a personal insult and crossing boundaries like your attempt now to defame me.

I presume Danny apologised because he realised you were taking offence rather than being cool with it and Danny is a top bloke, he's not that into jovial banter like this kind of trolling.

Lets not forget that you were all on the server, a PCW was arranged (apologies for getting who asked who the wrong way round), and then your players leave and instead of saying that straight away so we could just get on and play a game with hardday, you try and find mercs after about 5 minutes. Yes 5 minutes isn't a long time, but we had the option of playing hardday too so it would have been courteous to inform us straight away. The chat log in not indicative of how long everything had been going on for and the yarn you were spinning for us.

About the king yo comment on danny and xenocide, you don't think that was a joke? You don't think we laughed at it on teamspeak? The rest of the team was in a humorous mood. I was the only one who escalated (or deescalated rather) to your level of personal insults. But before I said "yeah... fu... kilo" my intentions were purely tongue-in-cheek. You're just going to have to dislike me because I won't apologise for standing up for someone I play with.

Here we go again with the ad hominem arguments and attacks. In publics, you're right, I do think I'm better than everyone else, but if you'd like to give examples of how I give this perception then perhaps I could change my personality for the better of the community.
However the only time I get frustrated and give an outlet through the game is with commanders for natural reasons like missing medpacks. Otherwise everything is very civil; I give advice, I defend myself against accusations of stacking, or, when someone slags someone else off for poor reasons like rookies. In fact, quite often I compliment public players for helping me, making a nice play, or supporting me with meds/ammo/nanos.
When I do get really frustrated with the game I vent most of it on teamspeak away from the perpetrators because I don't play to make enemies. But again, nor do I play to be abused or let other people be abused.

And of course I quit when I get a bad score and I'm not enjoying the game! I also quit when I've got things to do or places to be. It's public! I have no contract. I play my gathers through to an appropriate time for someone to switch if I need to go, or I play it out even if I'm losing and I have the time. Heck the pcw the other day against your team I stayed through to the end even though you pretty comprehensively beat us.

Sorry, I was looking for an activity to do at home where I could have some fun. I was asked if I wanted to play a game and I took the opportunity. Obviously I should have predicted that your sense of humour was going to be absent and you'd take grudges, you're a Brit! It's quite amazing how we seem to be so different socially to the rest of the Europeans. Much love to Herakles for pointing that out to me so I could change.

I said it before, the screenshot was taking at the very end of the interaction between us where you were obviously all angered and ruffled. It's like you've taken a picture of the number 6 and left out the part where the question was actually "What is 2+2" and you've not shown your working either coming to a conclusion where nobody can see how you got there. (BTW if you didn't get it, the answer is 4!)

I wasn't stressed about the loss. I'll happily announce is that Vexta beat my mix team yesterday (i think we had 3 GF players and 3 Priori players). You played really well and beat us 2-0 on summit. I'm not going to let my emotions and anecdotal evidence of you as people cloud my judgement about how well you played (This was a passive aggressive comment with regards to the fact that I can view things and make arguments factually whilst disregarding emotional motives, unlike you. Please respond). I'd also like to say that last night was a mix team as well with only myself and 1 other GF player playing. Along with sooi, Danny, King_yo, and Kella. This is NOT to tarnish their names because it was mostly myself interacting defensively towards you. This is also to clear the names of my fellow GF players who you are so willing to tarnish as well. This whole libellous thread is about me, and, if I may say so, WRONGLY about me.

Oh and your little rant at the end about using prem div players last night? It was a mix. There was no majority team playing; so yeah, there were prem div players, so what? Aaaaaaaaaaaand the best bit about this is the hypocrisy because didn't you use a Quaxy player (name omitted because I love him and it doesn't need to be mentioned) who happens to be in the premier division in the pcw you beat us?

Looking forward to your reply :) (soz4owned)
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17 October 2013 - 08:44 -03
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@Wob You've mistaken me for someone who cares what you say. You think im reading that tryhard crap ^. I was there I know what happened.
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Aww go on, dignify it with a response. I spent a lot of time on that. I tried so hard to defend my self from your pointless personal attack on me. In fact, that's probably why no one seems to give a shit about this thread and posts with 1 liners and jpgs, it's pointless and you've taken things too seriously.

So it seems in your effort to humiliate me... you've kinda backfired and ended up red faced yourself. Don't worry though, you can tell your team mates and they'll back you up and we'll just let this all settle down. I'll make my peace with BlueEyed when he's around.

EDIT (Because you're editing your posts, it's hard for me to respond to you): Thing is, you know what happened, and are then trying to put in place motives and justifications for the actions of people and second guessing them. You're too ignorant to listen to people and instead you just judge and grudge :)
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17 October 2013 - 09:39 -03
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Ok Wob, you did put a lot of effort in and I must admit I really cant resist riding people when they make an ass of themselves. Just for you I'll give it a read and reply to each paragraph you wrote :)

1: irrelevant

2: You wouldn't of had to defend anyone if you didn't open your mouths in the first place. Did you ever consider I told Danny to stfu in a banter way? I find it hypercritical your allowed to swear in a joking manner but then if I swear after its suddenly dead serious. Or is it because I was only talking to Danny? because he spoke to our whole team like shit does that make it ok?

3: Danny doesn't know us and we don't know him, you don't go around talking to strangers like that. If I went out and spoke to people in a bar the way I had banter with my mates I'd get punched in the face.

4: You had been in the server 30 seconds before Danny started talking smack (most of which is missing from the screenshot). I wont go into what he said as its not been captured but from me saying "you sound mad bro" we can imagine it was nothing pleasant.

5: king-yo comment was irrelevant then, is still irrelevant now, I have no problem with king_yo he's a nice guy, not sure why you keep bringing this up?

6: Who cares, get over yourself.

7: Boring.

8: Slightly racist, again get over yourself.

9: Believe me I wish the screenshot was taken earlier, it would have done you guys no favours. Would have had Danny saying "Faggots get on aliens in 1 min or get the fuck out"

10: Mostly irrelevant, if it wasn't clear already I have no problems with anyone but you and Danny. Just because your clanned, mixing or whatever with whoever I don't judge them people by your words/actions.

11: I didn't say you had a majority team playing? I said you were majority Div1 against a Div3. We used prem merc for the last round not the whole match (we had already beat you us playing marine).

12: (soz4owned)? Get over yourself

Also I don't see why you feel you need to "make your peace with Blueeye" he wasn't there last night?. Nor do I know why you feel you need to keep dragging other into this. I am responsible for what I say and no-one else.

EDIT: Also you say I'm "trying to put in place motives and justifications for the actions of people and second guessing them.". Not at all, I'm going on the facts, nothing else. Your the one full of cool speculation storys and justifications. You think your smart with your well worded long responses and to give you credit your English isn't bad, however unfortunately you seem just short of being intelligent enough to actually understand the conversation and what your writing because most of it is just dribble. (<-- was a personal insult)
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17 October 2013 - 10:09 -03
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Remind me not to piss Wob off. Walls of text to follow! :P

Seriously though, no need for a thread about this.

This is the internet, we are all trolls at heart.

Lighten up :)
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When you personally told Danny to stfu, I took that to heart because I believe that asking a team to join up with phrases like "get yo shit together" is cordial, with emphasis on "yo" being contemporary language used to convey a sense of gang fighting (team v team). However telling an individual to stfu is, by definition, a personal insult and crossing boundaries like your attempt now to defame me.

Nice focus on get your shit together forgetting what he said prior, the correct term from danny was oh yes "Faggots get on aliens in 1 min or get the fuck out!" Within 1min of joining the server.

I presume Danny apologised because he realised you were taking offence rather than being cool with it and Danny is a top bloke, he's not that into jovial banter like this kind of trolling.

Trys to brush this off as merely a joke, love the focus on us not being cool with it therefore it's our fault.
Who would take offense to this.
"Faggots get on aliens in 1 min or get the fuck out" Sounds like a top bloke to me!

players leave and instead of saying that straight away so we could just get on and play a game with hardday, you try and find mercs after about 5 minutes

Why did you think more left was it because of your behaviour NO because wob couldn't act wrong. I stopped looking for a merc after your behaviour.

The chat log in not indicative of how long everything had been going on for and the yarn you were spinning for us.

The chat log shows sentences like stfu it sure as hell didn't take more than three minutes for us to leave after you joined. Once again our fault for their unacceptable behaviour.

About the king yo comment on danny and xenocide, you don't think that was a joke? You don't think we laughed at it on teamspeak? The rest of the team was in a humorous mood. I was the only one who escalated (or deescalated rather) to your level of personal insults. But before I said "yeah... fu... kilo" my intentions were purely tongue-in-cheek. You're just going to have to dislike me because I won't apologise for standing up for someone I play with.

Uses the comment said by king yo forgetting his comments or danny's. Humorous mood or abusive as your 2 teammates felt the need to contact us and apologise for your behaviour. Establishes escalation then describes how the others are below him yet more narcissistic dribble. Once again saying he is the victim despite the fact he is the aggressor.

Here we go again with the ad hominem arguments and attacks. In publics, you're right, I do think I'm better than everyone else, but if you'd like to give examples of how I give this perception then perhaps I could change my personality for the better of the community.

Admits to being a Narcissist, just look at your prior comments i doubt it will reach you at your pedestal.

However the only time I get frustrated and give an outlet through the game is with commanders for natural reasons like missing medpacks. Otherwise everything is very civil

I bet it's as civil as you were with us.

when someone slags someone else off for poor reasons like rookies. In fact, quite often I compliment public players for helping me, making a nice play, or supporting me with meds/ammo/nanos.
But again, nor do I play to be abused or let other people be abused.

Guys look at how good a person i am.

Heck the pcw the other day against your team I stayed through to the end even though you pretty comprehensively beat us.

It was meant to be two maps ended up being 1 after 2-0 you sure did stay till the end. Then the next day you turn up with king_yo as merc anybody else seeing a pattern?

Obviously I should have predicted that your sense of humour was going to be absent and you'd take grudges, you're a Brit! It's quite amazing how we seem to be so different socially to the rest of the Europeans. Much love to Herakles for pointing that out to me so I could change

Once again our fault for being a brit therefore it's not his fault. Guys even though it's their fault im such a good person that i will change for them!

I said it before, the screenshot was taking at the very end of the interaction between us where you were obviously all angered and ruffled. It's like you've taken a picture of the number 6 and left out the part where the question was actually "What is 2+2" and you've not shown your working either coming to a conclusion where nobody can see how you got there. (BTW if you didn't get it, the answer is 4!)

YET again our fault for being angered and ruffled jesus christ does this end. Like i said before did you think our players wanted to play in that enviroment?

I'm not going to let my emotions and anecdotal evidence of you as people cloud my judgement about how well you played

Vexta are evil!

(This was a passive aggressive comment with regards to the fact that I can view things and make arguments factually whilst disregarding emotional motives, unlike you

You are so in control of your emotions that after the pcw you harassed me about my team needing to learn manners.

This is NOT to tarnish their names because it was mostly myself interacting defensively towards you.

Uses the word defensively to remind people he is the victim.

The hypocrisy because didn't you use a Quaxy player (name omitted because I love him and it doesn't need to be mentioned) who happens to be in the premier division in the pcw you beat us?
I wasn't stressed about the loss. I'll happily announce is that Vexta beat my mix team yesterday (i think we had 3 GF players and 3 Priori players). You played really well and beat us 2-0 on summit

The only reason you can say you lost is because later you establish that we won due to the merc, however you seem to forget that the merc came in at round 2 after we won the first. Also i messaged alot of people and he responed in less than 3 seconds literally.

Grandiose sense of self-worth
Failure to accept responsibility for his or her own actions
Poor behavioral control
Irresponsibility
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)

Seen people like you tons of times before typical psychopath.










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17 October 2013 - 10:35 -03
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Wow.

Okay, first of all, I was letting off steam - and it wasn't meant to be anything against Kilo and co.

On our teamspeak, we were deciding on either playing kilo and co. or hard.day+malga. After waiting 1h to merc, i could not care less who we play as long as we play. So after someone in GF asked kilo (or someone else in that clan) if they wanted to play, they said yes.

So we all connect to the server, jump into a team (all 6 of us), no one of theirs had joined the other team. So I started talking about this. Didn't, at the time, think you would take it so hard as to putting it out on several forums, but hey.

Now it was only when we were on the server and me shittalking that you guys told us you dont have 6. So we played hard.day instead and they jumped into aliens and readied before you guys left the server.

I dont see the big problem? And what do you mean "most of it is missing from the screenshot". The worst part is in the screenshot, there was nothing major before that - and certinly not directed at you. I started with you after you told me to stfu (all included in pic).

For what it is worth, I am sorry and will think about my manners next time I play vs you guys.

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17 October 2013 - 10:41 -03
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@Danny you had said "Faggots get on aliens in 1 min or get the fuck out" and "Get the fuck on Gayliens" before I said "stfu". If anyone thinking im in the wrong replying stfu after what he said your smoking crack...
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When you personally told Danny to stfu, I took that to heart because I believe that asking a team to join up with phrases like "get yo shit together" is cordial, with emphasis on "yo" being contemporary language used to convey a sense of gang fighting (team v team). However telling an individual to stfu is, by definition, a personal insult and crossing boundaries like your attempt now to defame me.

Nice focus on get your shit together forgetting what he said prior, the correct term from danny was oh yes "Faggots get on aliens in 1 min or get the fuck out!" Within 1min of joining the server.

I presume Danny apologised because he realised you were taking offence rather than being cool with it and Danny is a top bloke, he's not that into jovial banter like this kind of trolling.

Trys to brush this off as merely a joke, love the focus on us not being cool with it therefore it's our fault.
Who would take offense to this.
"Faggots get on aliens in 1 min or get the fuck out" Sounds like a top bloke to me!

players leave and instead of saying that straight away so we could just get on and play a game with hardday, you try and find mercs after about 5 minutes

Why did you think more left was it because of your behaviour NO because wob couldn't act wrong. I stopped looking for a merc after your behaviour.

The chat log in not indicative of how long everything had been going on for and the yarn you were spinning for us.

The chat log shows sentences like stfu it sure as hell didn't take more than three minutes for us to leave after you joined. Once again our fault for their unacceptable behaviour.

About the king yo comment on danny and xenocide, you don't think that was a joke? You don't think we laughed at it on teamspeak? The rest of the team was in a humorous mood. I was the only one who escalated (or deescalated rather) to your level of personal insults. But before I said "yeah... fu... kilo" my intentions were purely tongue-in-cheek. You're just going to have to dislike me because I won't apologise for standing up for someone I play with.

Uses the comment said by king yo forgetting his comments or danny's. Humorous mood or abusive as your 2 teammates felt the need to contact us and apologise for your behaviour. Establishes escalation then describes how the others are below him yet more narcissistic dribble. Once again saying he is the victim despite the fact he is the aggressor.

Here we go again with the ad hominem arguments and attacks. In publics, you're right, I do think I'm better than everyone else, but if you'd like to give examples of how I give this perception then perhaps I could change my personality for the better of the community.

Admits to being a Narcissist, just look at your prior comments i doubt it will reach you at your pedestal.

However the only time I get frustrated and give an outlet through the game is with commanders for natural reasons like missing medpacks. Otherwise everything is very civil

I bet it's as civil as you were with us.

when someone slags someone else off for poor reasons like rookies. In fact, quite often I compliment public players for helping me, making a nice play, or supporting me with meds/ammo/nanos.
But again, nor do I play to be abused or let other people be abused.

Guys look at how good a person i am.

Heck the pcw the other day against your team I stayed through to the end even though you pretty comprehensively beat us.

It was meant to be two maps ended up being 1 after 2-0 you sure did stay till the end. Then the next day you turn up with king_yo as merc anybody else seeing a pattern?

Obviously I should have predicted that your sense of humour was going to be absent and you'd take grudges, you're a Brit! It's quite amazing how we seem to be so different socially to the rest of the Europeans. Much love to Herakles for pointing that out to me so I could change

Once again our fault for being a brit therefore it's not his fault. Guys even though it's their fault im such a good person that i will change for them!

I said it before, the screenshot was taking at the very end of the interaction between us where you were obviously all angered and ruffled. It's like you've taken a picture of the number 6 and left out the part where the question was actually "What is 2+2" and you've not shown your working either coming to a conclusion where nobody can see how you got there. (BTW if you didn't get it, the answer is 4!)

YET again our fault for being angered and ruffled jesus christ does this end. Like i said before did you think our players wanted to play in that enviroment?

I'm not going to let my emotions and anecdotal evidence of you as people cloud my judgement about how well you played

Vexta are evil!

(This was a passive aggressive comment with regards to the fact that I can view things and make arguments factually whilst disregarding emotional motives, unlike you

You are so in control of your emotions that after the pcw you harassed me about my team needing to learn manners.

This is NOT to tarnish their names because it was mostly myself interacting defensively towards you.

Uses the word defensively to remind people he is the victim.

The hypocrisy because didn't you use a Quaxy player (name omitted because I love him and it doesn't need to be mentioned) who happens to be in the premier division in the pcw you beat us?
I wasn't stressed about the loss. I'll happily announce is that Vexta beat my mix team yesterday (i think we had 3 GF players and 3 Priori players). You played really well and beat us 2-0 on summit

The only reason you can say you lost is because later you eastablish that we won due to the merc, however you seem to forget that the merc came in at round 2 after we won the first. Also i messaged alot of people and he responed in less than 3 seconds literally.

Grandiose sense of self-worth
Failure to accept responsibility for his or her own actions
Poor behavioral control
Irresponsibility
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)

Seen people like you tons of times before typical psychopath.










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Kilo@Danny you had said "Faggots get on aliens in 1 min or get the fuck out" and "Get the fuck on Gayliens" before I said "stfu". If anyone thinking im in the wrong replying stfu after what he said your smoking crack...


I'm pretty sure I didnt use the word "faggots" (I never use that.) - but i guess it was something similar, maybe join "gayliens" or so - whatever, doesn't matter.

I dont think you were wrong in telling me to stfu. If i thought you were wrong, i'd post a screenshot of it on the UWE FACEBOOK PAGE.

Anyways, I've said I'm sorry and that it wont happen again (at least, not in front of you guys - and if I happen to forget just remind me). It seems the two clans have some history between themselves - I'm just a merc who doesn't like waiting.
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17 October 2013 - 11:06 -03
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That's it Kilo; keep insulting me. Show everyone how you're a big meany just trying to bully a couple of people on the internet. Portray me to everyone about how I'm an ass, how I think I'm better than everyone and I like to publicly announce it, and how I wasn't even worth replying to because I'm so lowly compared to you (Get over yourself, troloooool). I'm not sure if you look any better than what was said in the screencap. All you do is flame individuals with hatred.

Lists are quite fun! Although, I find your lack of effort to explain your accusations disappointing. It's quite a serious thing to offend a player like Danny and then to publicise your slurs, back yourself into a corner, and not explain yourself but rather dismiss points half-heartedly.

1. First paragraph is not completely irrelevant. I just want to signpost that you're baiting me into this argument, and I accepted your invitation to clear our names (Danny and mine) which you are so desperately trying to tarnish.

2. Sir yes sir! No communication with other teams. Information on if we'll ever get a game going or if we're wasting our time in the middle of the night is on a need to know basis! And no, I never considered that you were making banter because telling an individual you don't know to stfu is crossing a boundary and making it personal. I thought you said you read my post? I can give you reading lessons if it helps.
You might say that you weren't to know my boundaries and that's reasonable. I definitely should have just said "Hey lets not make this personal now" instead of saying "fu" just like you definitely should have made this a private chat, not post it on a public forum.

3. A bar is a different situation to a competitive environment. Teams shit talk each other all the time in almost all sports. To be so naive is to be so foolish. Yeah it's not the friendliest of banter, but it's still obviously classic competitive banter and not malicious. UNTIL you go and pick on one particular person.

4. This is exactly what I mean when I say your problem is that you try and guess people's character and project that behind the meaning of the words. You think Danny and I were raging, you think I was stressed from your victory over us, you think I lord it over people in public. You were obviously there expecting hostility and put it behind his words. You said "u sound mad bro" and that was in line with the whole tone of the interaction. But then you flipped and tell Danny to stfu crossing borders from jovial to personal. You're all talk about looking at facts but all you're doing is trying to find emotion to define the facts. If anything, what we can learn is that your comprehension of English is largely tarred by your emotions and so how can we seriously consider that what you think was us being mad, was actually us being mad and not just joking?

5. Christ. The king yo comment shows that the team was being humorous. They didn't take last night seriously and I doubt they give a shit right now. There were no hard feelings at any point from anyone until you told Danny to stfu and get a grip at a personal level. That's when I stepped in because I felt that that was too far. I only said things related to getting your team to join up and then to defend Danny. Banter and loyalty. What you've done here is personally attack and defame people in 2 public places (Someone told me you put it on the UWE forums which is sweet. I wonder what their policy is on libel?). I've even gone so far as to apologise that you took it seriously, and I offered for you to constructively criticise what I have done in public to improve my relations with people.
You're seeing a few things I said last night and only using those few colours on the pallet to paint a picture of me. "convenient that you missed those bits out"

6. You attack my character rather than my argument and explanations, but I'm not allowed to defend my character by posting about my values and my deeds in the past. Well done, you've successfully won this argument and shown that I'm a true monster.

7. See point 6.

8. Racist? Christ dude, I'm English myself! It was a joke! How do you not see these things? :D

9. Moot point I suppose.

10. Aww bless. Why'd you put GF in the OP then and not our names? =[ Seeing as you are familiar with the edit button, do you mind replacing that with my name please?

11. Read point 10. Edit GF to my name then please and don't use my team's name.

12. But now I know how you're so emotional, it makes the trolling all the easier. I'd be happy for you to decide based on this thread that I'm an asshole because to be frank (and it's obvious), I don't like you and how you've managed this situation. But based on that picture and the events last night, I'll defend myself.

I'm going to speak to BlueEyed because I know him a little and I believe he's the leader. I want to explain to him my side of the story because all he'll hear will be yours. He might not give a shit though, that's cool, won't know till I speak with him.
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17 October 2013 - 12:38 -03
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Excellent work. Keep it coming!
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17 October 2013 - 13:01 -03
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Since I organized the mix to start off with, I have a couple of things to add.

Wob had no say in the choice of mercs. In fact he was not even online when I gathered the players and only came back from the pub, a short time before we found the match.

You are right, I asked King_Yo to merc because he is a skilled player, but I did not choose him to carry some random pcw. I chose him for some extra guidance for our new commander, Galahad. Since I have known King_Yo from way back in NS1 and since he is in a successfull team, it seemed obvious to ask him to help us out.

As for the rest of our lineup, it was not exactly a prem div mix. Our match against hardday ended 1-1. They did win their round on a sg rush, but it is good Galahad learns competetive the hard way ;) Next time he will be much better prepared for a situration like that.

On a sidenote, Wob is not a racist for complaining about what I like to call "the british attitude". Race and nationality are two completely different things. I am in no way saying all brits are like this, but in my experience, it has often been the case.
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17 October 2013 - 13:34 -03
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@Tyrer

Welcome to the discussion. It would be more constructive if you could format your reply better so it's easier for a response.

I refuse to comment on things which are not documented because it's so easy for quotes to be thrown around and misconstrued.

Danny apologised almost immediately. Look at the screen shot. I don't know why exactly he apologised but I presume it was because he realised that you had taken offence. I'm not him so I can't say for sure. I'm not saying you're at fault, it's just that "being cool with it" is the opposite of taking offence. Again, not commenting on non-documented quotes.

The point isn't why your players left, it was about just not communicating to us. You're saying that your players left and so you didn't really have any intention of playing us. If you had just said "sorry our players are leaving" I'd have said ok good night, hardday get yo team on. We're delving into what ifs now and hypotheticals.

It is obvious that our behaviour could have been interpreted as unacceptable or joking. Kilo's "stfu" is exactly the same apparently. We're at least equally at fault. It's not the way you see it, nor is it the way I see it and I doubt we'll agree that both responses were equally bad. To say that I can't be wrong because I'm arguing my point is like you saying you can't be wrong.

Lets list my comments.
"Get yo shit together"
"yeah... fu... kilo"
"Tick tock"

"verslayer... get yo team on"

Yes I completely sidestepped my comments in a reply to something unrelated (sarcasm, I just want to make that clear in case you read it too literally). I think I might use kilo's favourite word here; irrelevant.
I do feel disheartened that the people I was playing with said that behind my back, I had no idea until you wrote it. Regardless, I would have their backs as well when someone would personally go for them. (Or is this too idealistic for you? Do I appear like too much of a good guy? Think of it like this, why else would I decide to target kilo after he targeted Danny?) Also yes, I feel victimised by the fact that you've decided to take this interaction between your players and myself and make it public in order to tarnish me. Do you not see how you've decided to switch this around on me? Fuck, you're even doing it right now in your comment. You're labelling me as a narcissist (I like how that's capitalised mid sentence btw, did you copy paste it to make sure you got the spelling right?) You're victimising me. Of course now you're just going to say "no no no you're flipping it so we're the bad guys"... and even then you're going to say that comment was a way of being meta and trying to turn it onto you and even this is meta of the meta and SO ON AND SO FORTH.

How do I defend your attacks on my CHARACTER without using my characteristics and being labelled a narcissist for talking about myself? Also is it weird that I might think I am often better than everyone else in a public server when I have top KDs, scores, and people often comment on how people stack teams with me? I'll say that I think there are some players who are better than me, but then again I'd be being a narcissist for thinking about myself and I'd also look like the victim and good guy by putting others before me (Like when I stepped in to Kilo in the incident).

You speculating on my actions when you're not present adds nothing to the argument, although saying that, you commenting on my actions when you are present also seems to have questionable credibility.

WHOOPS I sometimes choose to defend rookies! Shit dude, do you honestly believe that I am 100% dark and evil? No one's perfect. I even made a concession and gave you the chance to give me feedback with regards to my behaviour in the public servers. But apparently giving you that option is some sort of trick on my behalf! I can't win :) You're just looking to turn anything on it's head as me being evil just like yesterday when danny was making those comments :)

I didn't know it was 2 maps but it's reasonable and fair to leave at the end of 1 whole map isn't it? Also (and I'm now going to be accused of dragging another person into this AGAIN), lamb wanted to leave. I wanted to leave to, but my point is it wasn't me who solely destroyed the prospect of another map between us. (I'm dodging responsibility here guys!!! Oh wait now I'm predicting their argument guys so that must mean im wrong guys!!! Note the humour I've adopted by copying you in addressing any readers out there to appeal to my view like you've done to try and humiliate me)

I'm British too dude. It's called self-deprecation and it's a form of humour which would have normally suited this scenario. It's like a "fuck us, right? haha both of us are so silly for fighting over this"

:) Thanks for taking the bait on the maths analogy, didn't you think that tasted a bit too sweet to be true? You know you just said "It's our fault for being angered and ruffled", well Kilo accused me of being stressed after the loss and I ragequit when I get a bad public score. We should be allowed to paint from the same choices of colours, right? It's not fair that you should be able to use that kind of reasoning to make me look bad and yet you can't be bad. I've said we're probably both equally at fault at this point, but because I've decided to be the bigger man you're going to turn this sentence into me looking manipulative and the good guy, and again you're going to say that that last phrase was a meta comment to look good like this is meta meta AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

You're logical arguments put my in a cyclical stage where I can not make concessions and I must live up to the name you paint for me without being able to defend myself. Which is ultimately worse than your conspiracy that I'm just trying to look like the good guy because instead of defending yourself and your actions, you're attacking me. I can flip your argument on your head and say that you're constant attacks on me instead of my arguments makes you the bad guy because you're just slating me and I'm just defending myself. You're always attack attack attack. You're the bad guy, and now that I've pointed this out, if you change to lay off me a bit, you're trying to trick everyone into thinking you're good, but you're bad. And if you don't change, you're bad for attacking me!! See how your logic falls down?

You've attempted to publicly humiliate me. I don't like what you've done, I don't like you. But you played well. People can make their own decisions on you, I'm not preaching to the ENSL and UWE forums that you guys are bad people and narcissistic and can't accept responsibility and lacks remorse or guilt or any of that bullshit you put at the bottom of your post. It is funny that you chose to do that to me though. (OH LOOK IM MAKING IT LOOK LIKE I'M THE VICTIM.... you know what? Maybe I actually am? But wait, I can't tell you that I'm the victim, although Vexta can tell you I'm the bad guy though ;) )

After the PCW I sent you a PCW because there was a conflict. That is where these issues reside. In private. Thank you for bringing that up in my defence, are you on my side? Basically you guys complained that we had prem mercs when you used Ownzor the other day. Buuuut here's the best bit again. They weren't mercs because this wasnt GF playing. This was a mix team that you agreed to play with :) Thanks for omitting that and choosing your words to make it look like I was harassing you. (What is this thread if not harassing me publicly, btw?)

Sorry, because I'm not defending myself once Kilo calls me [insert french here]

Ok? You won the first round on marines without a prem merc, it was a good game. You beat us. I said GGs after that map including the round with ownzor and didn't bring it up. The only time I brought Ownzor up was when you were upset with us playing with king_yo to show that we didn't mind you guys having anyone. Of course this makes me a bad person because I'm not bitter about losing 2-0 when I was playing with 3 div 1 mercs. (I'm genuinely not bitter but you'll find a way to construe this to make it look like I am, whatever. You drive these words with emotions as well as Kilo does.)

In that private steam chat I did say

"Wob: That's not on
Wob: Kilo complaining about us playing "Prem div" players
Wob: and you using ownzor the other day
Wob: Hypocritism is just bad form
Wob: We're cool with you playing with whoever just to get a game"

That's where this type of issue goes. Not on a forum, unfortunately you've forced my hand into displaying this on a public forum.

I'm interested in knowing how you met so many typical psychopaths. Do you not think you just look out for those sorts of things in people and see them when they're not there?
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17 October 2013 - 13:44 -03
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Imho, who keeps score on a pcw.... isnt that what officials are for?:O

Sitting on phone, thats why no Meme thia time!:D
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17 October 2013 - 13:47 -03
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Sorry, because I'm not defending myself once Kilo calls me [insert french here]

As a french, I'm offended by that....
You're such a racist Wob!
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17 October 2013 - 13:57 -03
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1. Show up on time.
2. Stop crying.

It is damn infuriating having to wait for ages when you decided "NOW!".

Danny <3
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17 October 2013 - 13:59 -03
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@king_yo said "Also Wob was drunk." - Completely irrelevant, if you cant handle your drink don't come online acting a (insert French here).

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