Season 13 Seeding possiblitys

We made these Seedings based on these Signups:

https://www.ensl.org/contests/379

 

Please POST only construcitve Feedback here in the Comment section.

Everything else will be moderated.

 

Seeding 1) 2 Division Setup with all Teams

 

Seeding 2) 3 Division Setup with simply 4 Teams per Division (5 in Div3)

 

Seeding 3) 3 Division Setup sorted Skillwise (1 addional Div3 Team Required at least.)

 

Seeding 4) Current Seeding that we are going to stick with:

 

Mega on 02 April 18 22:17

Comments

5445

Blank Kash | For The Lolz

May want to add in Lerk Army to the seedings.

11 April 2018, 16:14

5803

Blank Mephilles | ELOgain

Also a little information of mine: Pell Mell has basically just 5 members atm since preda joined ELOgain. Afaik teams with only 5 members are not allowed to participate in the season. So with the seedings just be aware that they might drop out unless they manage to get a 6th.

EDIT:
4. Teams
(d) After the season begins, all division teams must maintain a roster of at least five (5)

registered users

Nvm. I'm retarded

11 April 2018, 16:21

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

Added 2 New Teams: Lerk Army and Nismen

Welcome PPZ

Any more suggestions what Seeding or what seeding you would like to be changed how

(The Order of the Seeding Rank wise is the same in each)

11 April 2018, 23:12

7394

Blank Marshmellow

mby add 8bit gamers to div2 in seeding#2

12 April 2018, 10:55

7394

Blank Marshmellow

?

12 April 2018, 10:55

7145

Blank Aazu | Saunabois

e: Seeding#3 yeees plsss :d

This way Div3 looks nice, and pubstars wont roll Div2.

12 April 2018, 13:04

5445

Blank Kash | For The Lolz

IMO seeding 3 makes the most sense, it gives teams that want to progress the opportunity to do it.

Seeding 1 is just bad imo, with the skill difference between teams you're just going to encourage teams to not play their rounds.

Seeding 2 is acceptable (though probably needs looking at again because of the addition of the newer teams).

12 April 2018, 13:39

7394

Blank Marshmellow

seeding#2 is the best i think... just need to add 8bit to div2 and its super

12 April 2018, 14:53

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

Seeding 2 has 8bit Gamers on purpose in div3 so saunabois has a equal enemy.
but your right numberwise it would make more sense on seeding2



1 more team and we could do 4 divisions with 4 teams what would be quiet a good balance.

not but seriously i think Seeding 3 is the best we have so far.
Im quiet biased if pubstars should be div1 or div2 in seeding 3 (so i put it into div2).




There always will be some Teams on a disadvantage and feeling like they got no chance.
But heads up everyone started one day time to improve and win it all.

12 April 2018, 23:30

5445

Blank Kash | For The Lolz

Do we know for sure if WhereisJaivol and Pell-Mell will actually play?

If those teams drop out it would lead to div 1 having very few teams again. so putting pubstars in div 1 could potentially bolster that After all "There always will be some Teams on a disadvantage and feeling like they got no chance. But heads up everyone started one day time to improve and win it all." and would also prevent teams like 8-bit and/or saunabois being stomped by them...

I'm not saying that you should definitely be in div 1, i'm just saying that it would be a shame for div 1 to suffer the same fate it has for the past few seasons.

13 April 2018, 01:43

5090

Blank Jaschal | Lerk Army

Seeding 3 :)

13 April 2018, 08:15

7394

Blank Marshmellow

no

13 April 2018, 08:42

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Blank RolliePollie | Pell-Mell

You can remove us, we have lost too many players :(

13 April 2018, 13:23

6452

Blank Nightsy | High Expectations

yeah we do have a pretty good chance of ripping not gonna lie

13 April 2018, 14:31

6494

Blank Bleu | Nismen

Seeding 3 seems to be the best. At least based on my -limited- knowledge of divs 2 and 3.

13 April 2018, 16:19

7394

Blank Marshmellow

no,only 4 teams in div2....thats bad

13 April 2018, 17:48

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

Added Hello Kitty Ninjas on Rank 12 on all Seedings what will put them in DIV3 in all Seedings so far.
(Do they belong more up or down in Ranks is somebody else ranked wrong in somebodys opinion ?)




I Removed Pell mell completely trough their own request from rank 5 what puts Pubstars to rank 5.




In Seeding 2 i moved Saunabois from div3 to div2. trough Pell mell missing and avoiding a Division with 7 Teams cause this will take far longer to finish every game.
Beside i think it helps the balance quiet a bit in that Division.

(but its still open if in Seeding2 Pubstars should be Div1 or Div2)
i am biased cant judge.



For all Seedings we need good balance and as many as possible teams playing instead of quitting in all Divisions. so we have the biggest amount on Games played.

13 April 2018, 18:35

7394

Blank Marshmellow

seeding#2 is best now :)

13 April 2018, 18:45

1949

Blank Made_in_Russia | team.ru

Seeding 2

13 April 2018, 23:23

6494

Blank Bleu | Nismen

Add 2RAM to the seeding list

13 April 2018, 23:40

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

I Remember the 2Ram team back from NS1 welcome back guys.

Added them to the last Rank (16) on all Seedings
Didn't adjust the Seeding 1-3 yet.

14 April 2018, 03:46

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Blank bobager | FaLLeN SouLs

Seeding 3

pub stars too strong for 2nd division

16 April 2018, 08:21

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Blank paddy | ELOgain


bobager says

pub stars too strong for 2nd division



This x1000, everyone knows it, they field one team preseason and then bring out the big guns during the season every time :P

Div1 gonna be shite anyway, most will fold and then Hera's prem div team can stomp as usual

16 April 2018, 14:47

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

Im open on
HOW TO SAVE DIV1.


Cause honestly the latest status i have at this point its just gonna be 3 Teams in div1
(DEFORMED, Elogain, Pubstars)



I heard the Suggestion to convert Div1 into a Draft Tournament (season) pick Captains these pick Players of a pool these Teams play a Season...

What i kinda dislike about this suggestion is the possibility that there could be Teams created that don't want to play together and this might not better the situation cause same amount of Disbands, Forfeits might happen then.


On the other hand it might motivate People to still play cause they don't see the Mountain of 1-2 Imba Teams anymore all assembled team will have somehow similar skill.

16 April 2018, 18:15

5803

Blank Mephilles | ELOgain

what happened to alcoholics anonymous? Div 1 main appeal are high level PCWs. I personally don't give a fuck about the season and therefor don't mind being in div 1 with DEFORMED alone. Last season div 1 was ok aswell.

16 April 2018, 19:54

6881

Blank Luftwaffel | 8bit Bellysliders

8bit facehuggers could join lowest div. They missed the deadline but want to play.

I like seeding 3 the most, but it would be nice if one more dive 3 team could move up (dont know which one though). Pubstars is too strong with too much experience in div 2 I think. Saunabois and 8bit gamers gonna get rekt by Team awesome and FallenSouls enough as it is :p

17 April 2018, 09:31

7394

Blank Marshmellow

omg

17 April 2018, 10:09

7193

Blank POPI | pubstars

2 divs is enought

17 April 2018, 17:37

5803

Blank Mephilles | ELOgain

Team Awsome has starcatereus now. I vote them for div 1 :P

17 April 2018, 19:01

7394

Blank Marshmellow

xD

17 April 2018, 19:55

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

i was thinking about div1 and div2 that they have so less active teams how about each team plays each team twice and the 2nd time 2 teams play each other again they get twice as many points for a won round.

like this all divs will more equal amount of games
:genius:

But Honestly this is a option in case many teams forfeit/disband in a Division to just add up these matches.

any other ideas ?

17 April 2018, 21:40

5803

Blank Mephilles | ELOgain

div 3 is faster with scheduling anyways so if div 1 just plays each team once they will take as much time as div 3

17 April 2018, 22:43

7394

Blank Marshmellow

please stop making 8bit teams...soon whole ensl will be filled with 8bit teams

18 April 2018, 16:41

7394

Blank Marshmellow

8bit Facehuggers dont even have their own 6 players,they have only 5 lol

18 April 2018, 16:42

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

trough teams quitting reforming etc etc had to redo the seeding again....


removed Alcoholics Anonymous from all Seedings.


In Seeding 1 i moved Pubstars to div1 (you kinda need at least 4 teams in a div)


I moved in Seeding 2 Pubstars to div1 and moved Nismen into div2 from div3.
to have a difference to Seeding 3.


So Seeding 3 is like it used to be without Alcoholics Anonymous




In case Alcoholics Anonymous want to join back message here or me.


I heard rumours of 1 additional Team wanting to join (div1-div2 like pubstars strength) but i honestly have no idea how to squeeze them in atm.

18 April 2018, 21:22

6494

Blank Bleu | Nismen

Dear god we will get mauled in division 2 in the second seeding setup lol

We've barely played two scrims, most of us have no comp experience other than those two games, our ELO is exacerbated since we mostly only play against each other and we'll most likely play all games in NA servers with 175-250 ping against euro teams.

Mega pls no bully :[

18 April 2018, 22:06

5445

Blank Kash | For The Lolz

Mega, why not have 4, 4 team divisions... use seeding 3 and split div 3 down the middle.

19 April 2018, 00:21

5316

Blank crowbar | ELOgain

I think we should have only 2 divisions. We just dont have enough teams to create an exciting season by having only 3 Divs. This is my suggestion on how it should be:

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Div1

pubstars
ELOgain
DEFORMED
Saunabois
FaLLeN SouLs
Ololoi's Dream
(High Expectations)
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Div2

8bit Gamers
Intergalactic
2RAM
Hello kitty Ninjas
Nismen
Lerk Army
For the Lolz
8bit Bellysliders
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, there might be some cases where skill difference is quite high, but this is not avoidable anyways, unless Deformed gets it's own division :P

If you really want to keep the 3 division system, here is my alternative solution:
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Div1

pubstars
ELOgain
DEFORMED
Ololoi's Dream
(High Expectations)
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Div2

Saunabois
FaLLeN SouLs
8bit Gamers
Hello kitty Ninjas
For the Lolz

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Div3

Intergalactic
2RAM
8bit Bellysliders
Nismen
Lerk Army
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

19 April 2018, 10:22

5803

Blank Mephilles | ELOgain

The only thing that 2 divisions will do is create a longer season and larger skill disparity, which I think should be avoided. The faster the season the better imo. 3 (or as kash mentioned maybe even 4) divisions are good imo.

If you go for playoffs keep it betweem the top 2 teams then.

19 April 2018, 13:01

Noavatar

Blank Gung-Ho | Saunabois

Saunabois Div1 +1

19 April 2018, 15:22

5445

Blank Kash | For The Lolz

I like Crowbars 3 division seeding.
My 4 div suggestion would make for a faster season and opening the doors to more teams next season. I think longer seasons just make people notice the skill difference much more and lead to more teams folding, shorter seasons could make teams stick around for longer.
2 divisions would be horrible.

19 April 2018, 16:26

5803

Blank Mephilles | ELOgain

Also teams forming mid season need to wait longer to actually play and then maybe for whatever reason they can't play next season becasue of the long waiting time. Like with Diamond Gamers apparently

19 April 2018, 16:51

6797

Blank elStarcetereo | Nismen

Yall are a special kind of stupid if you think a team that placed 4th last season deserves to be bumped up to div 1

19 April 2018, 18:03

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

Added the Team High Expectations to Rank 4 on all Seedings every other team below moved 1 rank down.

In Seeding1 nothing changed for the other teams just +1 team in div1.
In Seeding2 nothing changed for the other teams just +1 team in div1.
In Seeding3 nothing changed for the other teams just +1 team in div1.


So to the Actual latest news:
I have been told 8bitGamers gonna have 1-2 Teams instead of 3 they see who can still play active enough etc..

Also from "Team Awesome aka Ololois Dream" i have been told from 1 GUY they have to play div2 or disband.. cause not very active yada yada

"For the lolz" told me they have to play div3 they don't want to play div2.

Hello Kitty ninja
i asked nicely if they would like to play div3 like 3-6 days ago they said "please no we only have like 1-3 half experienced players" and i know quiet a few of them its true so some have season experience as much as for example Stobez that played div3 last season with all newcomers so they should honestly still belong to div3 i guess.

And Nismen reacted to been putted in div2 with please not ^^ (sorry didn't ask in steam b4 i did i just wanted to see reactions to that was not fully serious.)


@Kash, @Mephillies
So Small Divisions people want that indeed would also help to finish it fast

BUT
@Kash having
a 4 Division Setup would look kinda weird:

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Div1
DEFORMED
ELOgain
High Expectations
pubstars

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Div2
FaLLeN SouLs
Team Awesome
8bit Gamers
Saunabois

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Div3
For The Lolz
Nismen
Hello Kitty Ninjas

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Div4
Intergalactic
8bit Bellysliders
Lerk Army
2RAM
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Beside we probably gonna be lacking 1-2 Teams. So no sorry.



Now to
@Crowbars 2 Division Seeding sorry i just consider it to harsh on the lower end of the Teams and the mid end.
But continue to convince everyone and bring good reasons why if you believe in it and we might still do it.



Lets look at your 3 Division Setup with considerations of these Teams opinions these its gonna look like this:
(what i honestly would like to put in action and create matches with)
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Div1
DEFORMED
alreadyrip? (what is their name now ?)
ELOgain
High Expectations
pubstars

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Div2
FaLLeN SouLs
Team Awesome
8bit Gamers
Saunabois

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Div3
For The Lolz
Nismen
Hello Kitty Ninjas
Intergalactic
8bit Bellysliders
Lerk Army
2RAM

I Consider so many opinions and be so Patient with the Seeding's cause i want to have the least amount of forfeits and the most amount of played matches,

BUT i have to create matches ASAP So keep me informed and i can still adjust but i want to get done cause we need to play summer is coming.

19 April 2018, 19:04

5803

Blank Mephilles | ELOgain

I am not sure we can count on alreadyrip (or whatever) to play in the season. Other than that I am pretty sure there are at least 2 teams in div 1 that won't forfeit.

19 April 2018, 20:21

1942

Blank Mega | pubstars

So after a lot of Considerations what's the best to do etc

I went for the following Seeding:
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Div1
DEFORMED
ELOgain
High Expectations
pubstars

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Div2
FaLLeN SouLs
Team Awesome
8bit Gamers
Saunabois

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Div3 Group A
Nismen
2RAM
Hello Kitty Ninjas
8bit Bellysliders

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Div3 Group B
For The Lolz
Intergalactic
Lerk Army



Why it came to Group A and B in Division 3:

The advantage of Div3 having 2 groups (A and B) is its a faster S13 also the potential of less high ping games (Argentina vs Russia gonna be so fun for both)
.
.
ok let me put it that way normal div3 is 8 high ping games in group play and maybe 1-3 in the playoffs.
Group A and B is gonna be 4 high ping games in group play and maybe 1-2 in the playoffs.
.
.
But this also means with Group A and B the worst team could end the Season after 2 Matches in Group B
3 in Group A (like div2 where a team might only have 3 matches and be done)

while on the normal play they have 6 Matches.
the main advantage of this is normal Div3 everyone plays everyone is 9 Weeks. thats 24 June.

on Group A and B play its 5 Weeks what is (27 may exactly like div1 and div2 , they would end the same time.)










You think otherwise tell me why and what else you want.

23 April 2018, 19:12

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