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S12: 1st Division

Tuesday 7 April 2009
21:00 CEST

Predictions (0)

Saunamen
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Team Russia
Referee
Voodo
Maps
ns_origin, ns_eclipse

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Blank Peacham | Saunamen

forfeits ftw!

23 March 2009, 00:18

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Blank mp | Team Two

WELL PLAYED PEACH WELL PLAYED

23 March 2009, 00:22

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Blank Snail | 250 de ping

w t f

23 March 2009, 00:32

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Blank GibbZ | 9L

karma for last week and squad 6 peach

23 March 2009, 06:03

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

lol Gibbz? What a fuck Peach did wrong against squad6? Woudnt believe you are in uni when you speak shit without any informatio.

23 March 2009, 09:26

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Blank Joe

ololo

23 March 2009, 16:17

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Blank frG | TROLLS

What do you think Tane, are you a moron ? Why even agree to replay a match, if you are gonna enforce it a few days later..

23 March 2009, 19:44

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Blank Peacham | Saunamen

frg, if the fact is that you have your wanted 6 players at one time of month, there is no way we can wait for a fucking million times that you have players

23 March 2009, 20:08

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

No need to be hostile. Dugii said us that we play at monday. Only few minutes before match he said that you cant play because n44bj cant play. At this time you were playing pcw with 7 of your players online. I though match is suppose to play as fast as possible? Today is first time after that match that we have even players. I believe why are you saing me that im "moron" is because we should have waited that you have the best lineup? If we follow this logic we also should have right to have the best lineup. This would mean that the game would have been postponed few months.
By the way n44bj didnt play single ensl match this season so dont known why he is so essential for squad6. Please will free to argument against my assumptions.

23 March 2009, 20:10

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Blank frG | TROLLS

First of all, n44b could play that week, but Peach said you couldn't, so that leaves me at: you only want to play with your best lineup, well, so do we.

Then Peacham somehow enforced the match upon us, so we had to play without n44b, this caused some internal drama, and at that moment the team spirit was really low. I totally understand you want to play the match asap, but in a game like this, it would be fair that we both had our best lineup ready.

I was man enough to gather 6 for the match, cause forfeits are stupid, i am still not sure if Peach would have enforced the forfeit or not, but i rather see matches play.

Some rounds in the game were really close (imo), and n44b could have made the difference there.

And you probably know that.

23 March 2009, 20:22

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

Fair enough. Though you probable undestand that we have that final call when do we play because we had players in default time. It was the best lineup for you and lots of waiting or the best lineup for us and no waiting.

Drama arised from poor communication between clanleaders. Though match had been agreed already. It seems duugie failed to communicate to us that match "had" been canceled. Peach lost his nervers when duugie didnt respond him.

Peach didnt take admin role in any situation. He made his calls as pissed off clanleader not as headadmin.

If we would be active there would not have been problems to postpone it few days to be "fair". I personally could care less does n44bj play or not. But like this forfeit from ru implicate we didnt have privilege to play another day.

23 March 2009, 21:11

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Blank GibbZ | 9L

"lol Gibbz? What a fuck Peach did wrong against squad6? Woudnt believe you are in uni when you speak shit without any informatio."

Actually I do a science at uni Tane. Not a philosophical subject like you.

I weigh out results and look at general trends. The general trend has emerged from playing the finns in the past that sometimes there have been upsets due to playing times and basically bad sportsmanship etiquette.

However I didn't mean to offend, the karma wasn't actually about you're game with squad 6. It was more the fact from what I've seen squad 6 were just as good as you and they deserved atleast a draw and unfortunately, for whatever reasons, they didn't get it. As they put in so much effort I feel this is "karma". That is what I meant.

As you can see I meant no offence to you. However I do feel sorry for the spainish as they were forced to play as imho if it was the other way round Peach would have said "no" and that would be the end of it.

23 March 2009, 21:32

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Blank GibbZ | 9L

you're = your btw*

23 March 2009, 21:33

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

I misundestand you then. I think everybody here just want to play those matches people just have different opions how you play them.


This is probably stupid but as philosopher student I cant resist your call for philosophical debate.

First of all, philosophy is also science infact its "mother of all sciences". Philosophy is different than other sciences and someone could say it is closer to social sciences than natural sciences. Someone could say natural sciences are more based on empirical information than philosophy. I think this is difference you are trying to make.

Nowadays philosophy's one the main role is to be other sciences "police", their main critic. Philosophy also gives standards to science. Says what is science and what is not.

Now that we have somewhat solved some misundestandings we can approach our little problem. You do known that science has really stricts requirements? Here is just some elements science must possess: repeatability, continuity, objectivity, publicity, criticalness ect.

"The general trend has emerged from playing the finns in the past that sometimes there have been upsets due to playing times and basically bad sportsmanship etiquette."

Your statment does violence to science. It doesnt fulfil sciences requirements at all. You also dont have enough empirical information to make any kind of judgements. If you make from limited amouth "finns behaving" cases a law(unlimited) you best to have more than couple of cases.

Problem is that you make too easily assumptions. Yes its natural to human but one should become aware of it and keep his/her information in his/her own mind. Only after he/she has some objectivity in his/her opions he should express it.

Dont take this post too seriously :o

23 March 2009, 23:33

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Blank GibbZ | 9L

wow, just their Tane. You just took this site to a whole new level. Congratulations.

I don't normally just give up without a fight but I so can't be arsed reading all of that, so, you win.

Also, I actually think Macpersil doesn't want to play the match Tane. Mp from what I've seen and heard (from his colleagues) has the philosophy, "why play when we can get a free and easy win?". Now as a philosopher I hope you agree, that Macpersil, is infact a massive douche.

24 March 2009, 01:27

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Blank Logan | The Sproggalots

First of all. I played several pcw's at start with some of squad-6 members and they returned scene really out of shape. That team started from behind of top clans level(at least in the moment like flatline and sauna) and their expectatives were hard when they lost 4-0 vs sprogga2(I don't care wtf name you have now) because they should beat Sauna to reach finals.

Ok, what is the problem then? They found 2 great players(n44bj and frg from nL) and this change all. I can understand frg point about karma(Only look when nL played last time and when Plan9 or armless) because some of the squad-6 members where in bad moment to win Sauna but I can understand too Sauna because it's very hard when you get your matches delayed(intentionally or not).

I have suffered the same some season and the result was ruin a complete farm(and the most important, one spanish "generation" of players, isn't easy find more and raise them).In my opinion, the clan who field the 6 players at default or agreed time should make decision about re-schedule or get the forfeit points.Why? Because you are playing in first division.That's all. I can understand some margin in lower divisons because it can force some clan folds but in first division? Never.A first division clan candidate to win should be enough active, if we don't make this we are devaluing the division I think.Honestly, some clans are getting penalized loosing rounds vs lower clans loosing rounds and they deserve it.

If mp want to enforce the forfeit, I am with him.Is not about support some spaniard friends(I am tired about excuses and stupid folds, seems like they can't play a fucking season without drama(I told anything when I was playing daily hard with crab and some members where inactive?fuck).
If the spaniards(squad-6) want to win something, they should prepare a team for next ensl, train hard, improve their teamplay and forget that drama shit.But I don't know why they folded and this is a really bad issue in my opinion.

24 March 2009, 04:33

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Blank Logan | The Sproggalots

about phylosophy discussion, Tane has reason about it is the mother of all sciences.I can't understand why some people overrate study science, you aren't more smart if you do that.

24 March 2009, 04:37

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Blank GibbZ | 9L

No one says you're more smart doing any subject. (Well ofcourse I'd really rate someone who did like some really solid weird shirt) But instead MAAAD you have to realise different people think in different ways. Scienctists may not be as clever as an english lit. student but I assure you they will think alot different in terms of problem solving, analysing and in general.

24 March 2009, 09:11

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

I dont know is mp "massive douche" but if he wants to take forfeits then he is in contradictory with himself. I think in "concept of ensl" includes the idea of playing officials matches. Its not in rules but normally the most basic "rules" are never writen.

When you join this league you probaly want to play matches also. I mean what is the point to play in league if you dont want to play games? I have to admit it is pretty hilariours to think league which just says every month that you are champion of ns without that you have played single game.

Games will be played.

24 March 2009, 11:32

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Blank M

Reminds you of anything "champ".
You won a final by forefit gg

24 March 2009, 12:05

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

Yeah lets avoid this case by making it personal by refering to history. Im in love in arguments you can hear in this scene. Its like hitting your head against the wall. But maybe I have illuminate you once again.

"Reminds you of anything "champ".
You won a final by forefit gg"

Still being ingorant? No we didnt, we played against sR pretty good final. Like I said it is, games will be played just question how you play them.

24 March 2009, 12:39

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Blank wodKa | Flatline-Ns

if iPwn now plays the final against quaxy for example, and wins, are we the champs then? ;x

25 March 2009, 00:07

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Blank dugi

2muchsauce4me

25 March 2009, 02:08

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Blank fades

who the fuck cares fucking fags, get a life, internet drama is doogie

25 March 2009, 02:42

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Blank dugi

;D

25 March 2009, 02:45

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Blank Tweadle

Basically, squad-6 should stop moaning if they couldn't field their best six. What's the point in having more than six players on a roster if you wait to play with only six of them?

The problem here is the hypocrisy:

Saunamen would also have delayed to wait for Peach or Tane. You've done it on every occassion. You even forego pcws because of this. This is not a best6 vs best6 league. That game was about saunamen vs squad-6 and all the players in it. It is very stupid that Peach forces teams to play while always delaying if he can't field Tane.

The conclusion is that squad-6 is wrong but saunamen would have (and have done) the same thing over and over again.

25 March 2009, 03:42

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Blank Tweadle

oh and mp is a fag

25 March 2009, 03:43

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

If team cant play finals in two weeks before x-mas I think we can assume that our rival has folded and take another finalist. Fuck, why im even argumenting when you dont even try to counter my arguments and this shit already have been talked about.

http://ensl.zanith.nl/index.php?view=comments&nid=322

If I would go to your level and whine everytime you have taken forfeit against us I would have more that enough cases. Last was during ensl9 when your forfeitwin decided finalists.

25 March 2009, 09:34

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Blank Tweadle

I assume you're not talking to me as i've never postponed a match to field our best team or taken a forfeit win despite being cocked around by your team and everyone else...?

Admit it - Peach is a total pussy when it comes to playing without you. I know it's not your fault but, indirectly, you cause alot of crap just by being Peach's favourite and have done since the finals against knife.

25 March 2009, 12:09

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Blank Tweadle

BUT I STILL LOVE YOU TANE

25 March 2009, 12:10

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Blank dugi

i sense homoness in the air ;D

25 March 2009, 13:44

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Blank Peacham | Saunamen

one season we played almost every match without tane even though he was in the lineup! He was diswashing though, so dont speak I dont need a reason to kick yer lilly ass! haha

25 March 2009, 15:18

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Blank GibbZ | 9L

ofc doogie, but everyone loves Tane :(

25 March 2009, 15:59

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Blank mp | Team Two

DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA
DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA
DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA
DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA


AND RUSSIA WINS

25 March 2009, 16:31

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Blank Tweadle

Tane didn't even want to play that season. He just joined the roster because you bummed him so much so you're just proving my point!

26 March 2009, 03:01

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Blank sherpa | cisequaltothree

nL to come back and destroy you all

26 March 2009, 15:13

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Blank vartija | KelaKorvausKöyhille

Its just so great that Tweadle know better whats going on here than we do. Anything else we might have missed?

26 March 2009, 21:51

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Blank Tweadle

The fact that peach doesn't care about you!

27 March 2009, 02:04

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Blank Fana | Archaea

"If we follow this logic we also should have right to have the best lineup. This would mean that the game would have been postponed few months."

So how about that season 5 huh? Funny story.

Douchebags.

27 March 2009, 21:24

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Blank Fana | Archaea

Yes. I hold Internet grudges for years.

27 March 2009, 21:27

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Blank Logan | The Sproggalots

By Naxo, on 13/05/2005 @ 14:30 - Posts: 3
Same as a soccer league; your clan moves between divisions depending on your position on the last season (and the clans folding).

27 March 2009, 23:09

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Blank Tane | Vanquish

Blame Inva I wasnt playing in first place anyway. Obviosly it should have been played faster but I didnt have anything to do with it.

28 March 2009, 13:16

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Blank mp | Team Two

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MP WINS

28 March 2009, 22:02

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Blank Tweadle

I'm taking the absence of a response as resounding victory.

29 March 2009, 18:35

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Blank Voodo | Two Team Squad

regarding this match: i gave it 3 more days, so russians still have time to play the match until wednesday evening, after that they will recive the forfeit, thats all i can do

5 April 2009, 23:28

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Blank Peacham | Saunamen

too bad they didnt play at week when we asked them to play a couple of times

5 April 2009, 23:52

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Blank Voodo | Two Team Squad

next time use real nicks for a proper lineup :)

7 April 2009, 22:06

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Blank Nde | Saunamen

Lazy Admin :OOOO

7 April 2009, 23:09

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Blank SaperioN | Flatline-Ns

fin forfeit = replay .ru forfeit = lose... ok ?!? nothing new...

8 April 2009, 02:13

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Blank lump

I agree sap, one forfiet from both teams should atleast give both teally changoints, aybe 2-2.. but that wouldn't actually change the overall division standings so who gives a monkey shit?

8 April 2009, 02:45

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Blank Bacillus | Quaxy

There isn't much admins can do to one way or other if a team cannot play in 1 1/2 weeks.

The old decisions are more debatable, but this one looks like just a result of the old drama to me. No need to try to dig out new rage out of this.

8 April 2009, 12:05

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Blank SoLa | Kaamos

Use nightcup rules, it's way better than this normal league and more interesting. Playoffs for the win.

8 April 2009, 15:42

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Blank lump

They didn't play the first time round, or the second, why would they play the third or fourth or fifth etc? That's the logic that makes leagues last for 2 months longer than they should.

8 April 2009, 16:24

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Blank msq

ensl is SH!T

9 April 2009, 22:06

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