So we've moved away from actual application of the rule set to just veiled attempts at bullying and mockery?

I'm asking them. As someone who loves this game and community. To do what we all came here to do.

Play NS2.

So I'm asking nicely if Perfect Peckers would please do the honorable thing and play us at a rescheduled time.

And YES. I got emotional. I was called many names. So yes, I get defensive. Because in the principle of the thing. Our team would never do this to another team.

This isn't fun for anyone. Not the refs, not the casters, not the players, not the community.

Please PP. Play us fairly.

knock knock knock, do you conscidere me like a div 1 merc???? lol?

You don't know whats in our heads, so please dont pretend to know what we are thinking.
I'm sorry it turned out this way but you shouldn't lie and trashtalk other people like that.

I have an idea - reschedule the match, but let Perfect Peckers use someone like Pipo as a merc. Maybe even Herakles, if Pipo is busy. After all, you just want to play a game, right Tagwolf?

Yes. We're willing to let them have whatever merc they wanted as we did with GCC who had 2. That'd be fine.

seriously what's wrong with you? GCC gets only one merc and it was me. You whine 15min because you think I'm on div 1 or I'm on RadicaL team (it's div 2) and I'm a fucking noob!

Guys I'm thinking TagWolf isn't very happy that I closed his thread on the UWE forums...

brb, must go get heart failure

Apparently I'm also a cunt now because I don't care about the situation. RIP

You're right. I'm not.

This issue effects more than me. It effects my team as a whole. So no I'm not happy. And decoy's relationship with me for the past year has zero bearing on this.

She loves to start shit. As in voicing a convo that has nothing to do with the situation.

The situation is clear.

We want to play a fair game. PP's ABadHabit is considering this and will get back to us.

We'd of course like to play them fairly. As for GCC, you had 2 mercs. And one of them on radical was there while radical was div 1. So do you see the similarities im drawing to the situation.

But you're right, this isn't about GCC. It's about us requesting a fair match from Perfect Peckers.

Tagwolf, I hope you know the current Radical team is just Div 2 level, old Radical Div 1 players are now iM or Godar, it depends = Premiere Div.
The current team is composed of players from Radical Ger, just took the lead with the same players, & they were Div 3.

So Moadib, their merc is only Div 2 level, not higher. Oh and by the way, if Radical is Div 1, Whipped (WongaNS) are Div 1 too.

I'm gonna need more popcorn!

so Tap is div 1?

That'd be the exact opposite of what you said yesterday.

You said, pennil is out. Tap can play.

I asked if we could reschedule. I was informed 100% we could (see below):

Tag Wolf: tap is div 2
Tag Wolf: e.g. our div
Tag Wolf: I'm happy to find a replacement for pennil
Tag Wolf: is it possible to get an extension to saturday. as we've never had 2 players not show before. so this is uncharted territory for us as well.
Tag Wolf: which server?
Uniquê: It is possiable to extend to the saturday
Uniquê: April 22 is the deadline
Tag Wolf: are you 100% sure on that?
Uniquê: Pelagir confirmed it
Uniquê: when is the deadline for them?
23:01 - Uniquê: April 22
23:01 - Jean-Charles: so, they have time to reschedule if Perfect accept
Tag Wolf: what server?
Uniquê: Well ABad is still guestining the mercs
Uniquê: Pelagir sended an invite to a chatroom
Uniquê: To clear this problem out

For continue the post of pelargir, you conscidere PASCOW as a merc of GCC or he's the author and leader of this team...

I'm glad people are entertained by the drama.

I'd rather they be entertained by the match though.

Moadib says

For continue the post of pelargir, you conscidere PASCOW as a merc of GCC or he's the author and leader of this team...

The NSL plugin told us to approve 2 mercs. One on OCC, one from Radical when radical was Div 1.

If I am incorrect in that please let me know. But it has zero bearing on this match. I was mearly saying, we didn't care about your mercs. So why do they care about 1 merc who wouldn't have made a difference?

When we suggested pennil, shot down, when we suggested FISKBIT, they left.

:D

Yes, I said that, I remember, I can have a different opinion of Zefram. BUT when you & leader of PP asked me yesterday, nobody mentionned the Zefram's decision which one was taken sooner than our conversation.

Zefram is the League Admin, you have to accept his decision, whatever it is. You don't have to ask someone else to have a different answer, of course, I didn't agree Zefram on TAP, but if he said NO, it's NO, this is not my job to say something different from what has already said Zefram.

If I knew you already talked with Zefram, you can easily imagine my own answer.


Oh, this Steam Conversation is pretty indicative about your mindset.

You're pretty lucky that I am not in her place.
If you any problem, you have to contact people involved, Decoy is not, she did her work on UWE forums, for the NSL, you have to contact Zefram even if he's not your friend. I do not even understand why your thread was not closed directly on the other forum that has nothing to do.

in all seriousness, play the fucking match. then match your e-penises and see who's is bigger

This is going to be a very interesting conversation. I dont know what happens here, but as i read that you post it twice, here and in UWE Forums, im wondering why you do it? Did you think that this (double post) effects in a way where all stand by your side and help you with "good" arguments? No comment about it.

Next fact: to take wrong information, especially to take my team as reason for your bad manner, isnt that what I and MY TEAM (yeah, it effects my whole team..) want. As spoken before:

The current RadicaL Team is a fully new build team. The former team splits up to iM and Godar. So its just a bad fact which you called in your posts before.

At least: I dont care about your game against PP. If they give you the option to reschedule the game to a saturday, where "normal" people go out, get drunken und try to get a girl/boy maybe..., be happy that they follow your request and say "thank you guys". As i can read PP is following the rules.. We all want to play NS2 cause we love it. You are not alone with that. But if you want the "best" for the community.. you have to stop blame it in all ways you can...

--> it isnt a good solution to schedule this match again with the option, that PP can use mercs out of every DIV they want.. that shows that you dont think about what you writing here. The steam chat log shows this too..


This isnt a personal review tagwolf... i dont know you and your team.. this is the first time i read about you and your team here, maybe im not allowed to talk about it... but at least you are talking about community and ns2 and at least my team mates, this is where im evolved in. So thats why im answering this boring waste of time.

--> Zefram: THX for your work @NSL!

nezz says

in all seriousness, play the fucking match. then match your e-penises and see who's is bigger

TY nezz. That's all we want. A chance to prove ourselves on the field.

Pelargir says

If I knew you already talked with Zefram, you can easily imagine my own answer.
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You're pretty lucky that I am not in her place.

Zefram signed off before the matter was resolved. We still needed to know if we could reschedule, which PP seemed willing to do at the time provided it was a week out, which I asked if you were 100% sure that we could wait til the 22nd. Including asking which out of the 3 mercs we could have. TAP, Pennil or fiskbit.

Regardless. All of this BS cause useless delays and a match to not be played, casters and players and refs let down.

It seems so unnecessary to me. Like why the hell are we all here.

As for the last statement, So are you! It's no secret Decoy and I don't get along. She can paste whatever she wants in or out of context. Yes I absolutely called her that and unfortunately due to our past, I won't apologize for. It wasn't something never meant to be public knowledge.

As for PP, we are very sorry to you and the casters / viewers for any delay. Regardless what was who's fault.

"zef cannot educate or trust his staff".

Dude... everyone's a volunteer...
Zefram, Pelagir, Unique, Decoy (for a different, unrelated org); and to some extent the players in PP, Ren the caster, and the people watching.

I heard that some of PP's players had to reschedule their RL plans to play because they couldn't find a reschedule date with you. Then you turn up late and unprepared?

You're begging for a match that you threw away. Sometimes you can't make 6 people to get into the match and you lose the opportunity to play. It's a shame, annoying, and frustrating; but it happens.

Take it on the chin.

Seeing as we're doing a lot of anecdotes in this thread; My team once scheduled and rescheduled a match 2 times in the custom map cup, and we failed to have enough players, forfeited and got knocked out to a div 3 (??) team. We were pissed off, but more at ourselves for not showing up when we said we would rather than blame admins/refs/opponents.

Time to take it on the chin.

IMO it would be nice for PP to lend you their generosity and play but they don't have to. And for the love of God, put down your semantics of "asking nicely" because I think everyone can predict the outrage you'd have if they just accept the forfeit and don't reschedule.

You're desperate attempts at bullying them into rescheduling you are just that. Desperate and bullying.

it was obviously that iM just didnt wanted to face GCC in the custom map cup!

Wob says

Dude... everyone's a volunteer...
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IMO it would be nice for PP to lend you their generosity and play but they don't have to. And for the love of God, put down your semantics of "asking nicely" because I think everyone can predict the outrage you'd have if they just accept the forfeit and don't reschedule.
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I understand. But when I heard different things from different refs, it causes confusion and delays.

I think it'd be nice too. We want to play the match officially.

If I sound bullying. It's not my intent. I have 5 other guys who I have to consider. This whole situation is unness. from EVERYONE. It's been rough, so damn right I'm a bit on edge and defensive.

To say this clearly.

We would like to play them. On fair ground. We would appreciate if they want the win to play the rounds in order to get that.

And yes, I tried to accommodate their plans for the date of the match. That's what scheduling is for. We always could be doing something else and I felt like shit they were inconvenienced. I tried to reschedule before mercs came into the picture over an hour before the match started and it's embarrassing as hell to beg to use a merc. We tried 3 different ones to fill 1 slot. I wanted to use tap and got different answers at different times. That's the truth. I asked if we could use pennil. We got a solid no from all refs. We asked to use fiskbit (this was now way delayed but the timer was running still). They left.

That's why I am confused that they didn't want to play at all and immediately started scrimming after our match.

I hope that they'll reconsider. I'm waiting to heard from ABadHabit.

And someone thought playing with americans same league was a good idea!

tagwolf says

I felt like shit they were inconvenienced.

Bull shit you didn't feel like anything. We asked you on thursday to reschedule to sunday because we probably couldn't be 6 saturday and you said no way and that you got a match on sunday. After our players sacrificed saturday night for the match you failed to get 6 players and start demanding reschedule less than 1 hour before the match? After all the talk and chat you still tried to slip in merc who was declined by both our team and the league admin and start saying we are BM come on really. You are the most self-centered person i've seen on ns2.

Ypsi says

tagwolf says

I felt like shit they were inconvenienced.

Bull shit you didn't feel like anything. We asked you on thursday to reschedule to sunday because we probably couldn't be 6 saturday and you said no way and that you got a match on sunday. After our players sacrificed saturday night for the match you failed to get 6 players and start demanding reschedule less than 1 hour before the match? After all the talk and chat you still tried to slip in merc who was declined by both our team and the league admin and start saying we are BM come on really. You are the most self-centered person i've seen on ns2.

You say that like my guys told me they could make sunday and I was like, no, fuck it. Let's play when they can't.

Why would I do that?

I asked when my guys could play. At the time they said Saturday. So I relayed that to ABadHabit.

And yes I do feel bad for asking to reschedule. I apologized to ABH multiple times before our match started and for any delays. He in turn apologized for some of the things you guys said to us after we joined.

And I didn't try to slip a merc in. I had very few people I could pick from last minute. Refs gave different info. Tap said zefram doesn't like him. So I asked the ref of our match.

TAP's presence would not have effected the match overall. When you declined him, then Mr Pennil, I had one merc left. Fiskbit.

When I asked if he was ok, you left. We even offered to play a 5v6. You could have allowed that for one round just to get things going but said no directly.

I'm missing the self centered part. I have a team to protect and I want them to play. I think ren's cast is pretty clear on what happened and I feel like shit that he wasted an hour of his day, his viewers waited an hour for a game that'd never happen, and that we had any personal delays, etc.

I hope that you guys reconsider and play a fair match against us.

Tagwolf you keep quoting the rules but conveniently seem to keep missing "A substitute must be of equal or lesser skill to the rest of the players in your team".

Tap would have carried your team most likely doubling the score & k/d of other players...

However this is not half as funny as Cheescake asking for Colt (S3 Premier team Damage Networks) to merc for them when they played us.

PS: The rules do seem a little incomplete around this area though. There are restrictions for high skilled mercs/substitues, but nothing in place to stop such a player officially joining a team (after the seeding period) and playing for you all season...

Kilo says

Tagwolf you keep quoting the rules but conveniently seem to keep missing "A substitute must be of equal or lesser skill to the rest of the players in your team".

Tap would have carried your team most likely doubling the score & k/d of other players...

However this is not half as funny as Cheescake asking for Colt (S3 Premier team Damage Networks) to merc for them when they played us...

TAP according to himself has been playing CS:GO and not ns2 for months. TAP has great snap aim but sometimes makes strange field calls. I do not believe his presence would have made an impact.

But the important thing is. We gave them 2 other merc choices. Mr Pennil (who hasn't played at all this season), and Fiskbit.

We even offered a 5v6 til they accepted one of our 3 mercs available at the time.

But they left. Again, I am hoping they reconsider. The most important rule here IMO is:

(e) Substitutes can not be denied in an attempt to force a forfeit.