The Vote

As some of you have noticed, we are conducting a vote to see how the league set-up will change for next season.

We're aiming to improve on the current system of league sizes based on 'number of applicant teams' and 'teams skill levels'.

The vote is taking place on our forums in this thread.

Simply read the options of 1, 2, 3 or 4 then reply in the thread with the option you would prefer.

If you wish to suggest any improvements on either of the 4 options please do so in another thread.

lump`
lump on 25 February 06 15:54

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Gb csm

voteddd

25 February 2006, 16:23

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Uk ZiGGY

Cause I really think the opinions of the masses mean shit \o. (not voted)

25 February 2006, 17:46

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

Tom why not put a poll in joo newb?!

Zomg I was -this- close to clicking "post" when I spelt "poll" as "pole" zomg!

25 February 2006, 18:11

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Gb lump

because people post links to the vote they want to win.

25 February 2006, 18:37

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No Fana | Archaea

Great to see you making an effort to improve things, good job lump (and the rest of the team).

25 February 2006, 19:22

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Gb d-

Go go Tommando.

25 February 2006, 21:36

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Se tjo

Opt 3 ftw!

26 February 2006, 01:19

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Gb lump

Well mike said he's leaving NS :( so me n froggie are able to wreak our havok :P

26 February 2006, 02:49

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Uk lagga | 9L

G_G

26 February 2006, 09:14

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

THE KINF OF BELGIUM IS LEAVING? Noes >_<

At least we can get bs off now \o\

26 February 2006, 11:26

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Az static

LOLOL <3 <3 JIMBO.

blockscripts was such a stupid idea for so many reasons

26 February 2006, 12:45

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

Ya you know it Mark.

Personally I don't use them (I'm such a Saint), but since I switched my +attack key from mouse1 to space my pistolling has become crap, so I really could do with scripting my pistol

26 February 2006, 13:15

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Fi weezer

i really could do with a lot of things too, why dont we get rid of the cal plugin as well since it restricts people from customizing the game

:roll:

26 February 2006, 18:57

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Az static

Why don't we use consistancy 0 whilst we're at it. Face it tmk, people who can't script will macro, macros are more exploitative and you still can't detect them.

27 February 2006, 04:45

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Se tjo

You can if they are on your ftp...

27 February 2006, 05:11

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Fi pimppy

xDD

27 February 2006, 07:32

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Nl Xur | Netherlands

lol tjosan, very true ;d

27 February 2006, 08:46

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Be dema

let the script/macro discussion begin again so this newspost will have a record amount of comments in NS history!!!

27 February 2006, 09:09

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Be dema

*edit* ha damn this is another thread ul anyway....

27 February 2006, 09:10

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

rofl tjosan =D

27 February 2006, 09:28

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Se tjo

"Yey", my e-penis just grew an inch...

27 February 2006, 11:20

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No Fana | Archaea

own? down to tjosan's witty retort.

Please stop voting for option 2. :(

27 February 2006, 12:11

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Se B1 | iMAGINE

none of them are really good options, 4 is the best one so far.

27 February 2006, 12:20

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Az anderval

option 2 is clearly the best!? after all playing 2 matches a week isnt going to be impossible for an inactive community that's just proved itself incapable of playing even 1 match per week

27 February 2006, 12:27

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Gb lump

Teams struggled to complete matches in GO while still playing UGL and pcw's. The problem teams have is motivation and teams dieing as they aren't playing enough matches. Things are being very over simplified by people here.

27 February 2006, 13:08

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Se tjo

You need to strike a balance really.

27 February 2006, 13:34

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Az Skyice

less devisions = different skill lvls in each div.

We all know that lower skilled clans normaly don't make it through 2 seasons. If new clans have to play against high skilled clan(s) in there div they will either forfiet the match before it starts or they will rage quit during the game.
I should know, im in zick.

27 February 2006, 13:53

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Az ReD

"own? down to tjosan's witty retort."

rF* :x

27 February 2006, 14:03

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Gb lump

Clans are not dominating the scene like they did for the previous year or so, infact the scene is similar to how it was in the months around the last attempt at a clanbase tourny but only less teams, a larger division is more plausable.

27 February 2006, 16:12

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Se B1 | iMAGINE

i had an idea, but i posted it in the forum voting thread and it got deleted, cba rewriting it, maybe some admin read it though. ns competetive is getting really dull anyway.

27 February 2006, 17:32

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Gb lump

I read it but it but the thread was starting to turn into a debate and I'd said about 2 posts above that I would clean the thread soon in red. I think your suggestion tied up with a few of the ideas we're thinking of anyway and you can always pimp them to frG.

27 February 2006, 18:54

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

Insane down :<

3 teams in the Premiership!

27 February 2006, 19:47

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

Hey I get to say s&m finished 3rd in the Prem league \o\

Levi-Knife the only game to be played. Gonna be a title decider.

Not that many of us cares about NS since Empires mod comes out on March 4th. It's like NS but runs on the Source engine and has a website. 'Nuff said.

27 February 2006, 20:03

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Fi weezer

wooooooooo i am so excited, finally we have a shot at winning the premiership grande finals

28 February 2006, 06:58

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Sl GibbZ | 9L

jp^

I see no aliens =<

28 February 2006, 07:27

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Nl Xur | Netherlands

ns >> empires. full stop yeah. just need that stupid website back up and more players that's all ^^

28 February 2006, 08:19

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

Yaar, too right Zamma =)

Although, rather strangely, I don't get the fps drops on the Source engine like I do in the HL1 engine. And for all the bad press the HL2 netcode gets- I can see it being better in terms of gameplay than NS simply because you don't have to deal with celerity, leaping rocket skulks who leave their hitboxes back in Madrid/Warsaw.

So it makes up for the lack of flying skorpians.

28 February 2006, 09:26

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Se B1 | iMAGINE

"empiresmod looks like boring crap shit (yes that term exists). If I wanted vehicles, huge maps and large teams I'd go fucking buy BF2." - Fana

Indeed, but atleast it's something else to try out while we wait for a game to replace hl1 NS. About time someone made a game with CPL standards, hasn't been one since what, cs came out? I actually thought empires was a bf2 mod, cause it sure looks the same crappy enviorment ;d , but if it's source i might just try it out.

28 February 2006, 10:17

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Az Skyice

ensl does need new ideas and it also needs fresh talent. The ensl admins are known to be lazy and, a few of them, hard to talk too.
We have seen several attempts of other leagues ect (nsgn for e.g.) and many more that have failed.
ensl needs more than 3 people to run it... and it needs people from different back grounds, not a group of people that have all been clanned together.

28 February 2006, 14:20

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Az Skyice

Wide range of admins = wide range of views, ideas and a better league.

28 February 2006, 14:56

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Vi frG | TROLLS

yes, i clanned with mike and lump, an no i am not lazy.

28 February 2006, 15:10

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Gb sublime | Spastic Colon

Nuclear Dawn appears to be the real successor to ns, but we can all play empires to tide us over until then

HL just cant cope and that is why ns will never take off again.

28 February 2006, 16:26

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Sl GibbZ | 9L

well tbh empires looks alright for the odd game. Its a bit of a battlegrounds game. You will play now and then.

Nuclear dawn may not have aliens but that looks like a real game.
Pity that NS:S (IF IT EVER COMES OUT?) will own it.

NS on its own with the alien species gives more stuff to learn and to train at.

ND = MVM
NS = PRO

NS is a very skillfull game. I doubt u will get one with more skill.

28 February 2006, 16:28

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Az static

Nuclear Dawn will be shit, I'll be extremely surprised if it ever reaches Alpha, and I say that from my own experience as a game developer.

And even then, it will still be shit, it looks shit.

28 February 2006, 16:31

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Gb csm

idd, it does rather look like a pimped ns mvm.

28 February 2006, 16:32

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Se tjo

I want skulks in all my games :(

28 February 2006, 16:45

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

NS being a very skillful game is ultimately it's downfall in the long run, in my opinion.

The huge skill gap between newbie and mediocre player is HUGE.

Who were the last top players to join NS? Off the top of my head- pantsu and Hickz. And I think both now go back to 3.0.

28 February 2006, 16:52

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Fi weezer

uhh, hickz played in dw.ns a long time ago

28 February 2006, 18:46

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Az static

pantsu top ?!?!?!?!?!?

...

<3 <3 pantsu

28 February 2006, 19:06

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Jp aA

hickz is a old player... like tmk said he played in dw.ns

28 February 2006, 20:15

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Sl GibbZ | 9L

jp^ you forgot to add me to the list. :o!


but no seriousley, NS is a skillfull game and yes this causes problems. Some noobs cba learning it. I cant remember how many people ive brought to this game saying try it for 2 weeks or so then ull get used to it. Out of 5 ppl i think 1 guy played it for more then 2 weeks at the start. He loved it. Unforunately his mom is tight and he cant play anymore =<

but yea. downfall upfall. either way. ns rox.

28 February 2006, 20:50

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Be Mike

reg is very helpfull in ns but whatever.

28 February 2006, 21:00

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De TaH

"....you don't have to deal with celerity, leaping rocket skulks who leave their hitboxes back in Madrid/Warsaw"

rofl very nice!VERRRRRY NICE!!!! (aA :p)
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Have you ever played a fucking boring game like WoW?!
play 6h a day/7days a week to get a belt with +2int +2str better stats as the belt you are already wearing!rofl

pls help me!! and create a new league/ladder that works and many people will come back from noobs united games like wow!

i'm not Jesus(NO i'm not)but after the 1° season i realised that this league wont work,and after the 2nd season i thought everyone
have to see it,but nooo same shit with the 3rd one!35 clan in the beginning 10 active at the end!

my idea is a fast ladder thats rewards active clans (1-2 wars a week) and inaktive clans( >2 wars in 3 weeks) can burn in hell!

-it wont be reseted after 7-10weeks !so if a clan folded it can't rename (1-2 rooster changes)and start in the first or 2nd div next season (they have to stick together more than 3 weeks to get placed under the top 3 (5 ,10 whatever)

-active "non Pro" Teams can get a place under the top 10 (i think its better than first one in Div5 rofl)

I think this is more honest than becoming the champion in this league cause you won 2-3 wars in a row -_-!

Your 4 options:

opt1: wont change the problem
opt2: only 3-5 clans can play this speed but they wont cause the championship titil lose in value,cause you can get one every month!
community wont grow
opt3:wtf oO
opt4:same shit like the last 2 seasons

What about the gamingorb, lump had started a few month ago?Did he quit cause fana said ladders suxX^^?i prefer my ladder to the ensl and your 4 opt!don't ask me for more details cause i m just a wow gamer (omg pls shoot me),but i hope i ve shown you some problems this league got and options for the next season!

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dont complain about my leet english :>
Fana what about Fananation?/I <3 tutu-/froggies mom is fat/huhu saeppel/HiVeFiSh n00b/

1 March 2006, 00:30

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De TaH

<2 can burn in hell :> n8

1 March 2006, 00:33

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Fi jiriki | old people

It's not the ENSL's fault people quit the league you know. Why invent a wheel again? ENSL does its job relatively well but (a lot of) clans don't.

"opt2: only 3-5 clans can play this speed but they wont cause the championship titil lose in value,cause you can get one every month!"
Well if you win 3-clan division (because other clans died/quitted), the title is not going to be any more valuable. And btw. opt2 doesn't require the league to be arranged every month. We could still arrange it like every 3 months.

If you can't play two games a week, well you're quite dead then. Half of the teams are propably going to quit the league, matter what we do. Shorter league is.. well more interesting and less static, and above all, it enables bigger division size which prevents the whole league from collapsing because half of the clans die / quit.

Thus we should try opt2 with bigger divisions and see if the outcome is better than current one. 6 weeks seem to be an eternity for current eu ns-scene. Those clans who are good, play usually a lot of matches, so the speed of the matches won't really be a problem for them.

This is speculation but I belive, when the speed of the league is higher, less clans would get jealous about other's people scores and less clans would rageguit.

Otoh, I believe we should ALSO try a ladder. EU NS-ladder wouldn't exclude EU NS-Leagues because playing matches is fully optional + ENSL won't be running all the time. The problem is that clans die and born all the time so the ladder wouldn't give a realistic picture of ns-scene. Eg. a prem clan dies and gets born with a slightly different team, meanwhile non-prem clans gets to the top. Then it'll take some time for it to reclaim its place. As this happens all the time, the whole ladder will get really mixed. Anyways, this is not necessarily a bad thing, since clans who have played actively deserve their place in the top. All this would encourage activity and more long-living clans - and actual scores from those matches (not the rankings) would help ENSL crew to arrange more balanced ENSL-divisions. Ladder would also be a nice choice for those who play less frequently but still play.

1 March 2006, 08:45

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Se tjo

I dont get why you all like opt 2. It's just like Opt 3 but with the added effect of a 20% bonus risk of killing the league.

1 March 2006, 09:04

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Fi weezer

more like 100% bonus

1 March 2006, 11:15

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Az Skyice

we will never have a league that works. keep it how it is. when the ns site is back up we can talk with the americans again and we will all be happy..

1 March 2006, 12:33

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Se B1 | iMAGINE

1) Get a full set of staff to work on this. Mike is quitting ns, right? Sounds to me that he won't be here to help ENSL anymore. 2 people ain't gonna cut it, 3 was also abit weak. Don't get me wrong here, you're all doing a great job, but it's obviously not enough.. People have private lives too, no? Get atleast 5 head admins that knows what's going on in competetive NS. Oh yeah, advertizing on this site about needed help ain't gonna work. Go ask people instead.

2) Sort out a shorter, better system for matches. Talk it over and use the public opinions as guidance. Make sure season 4 is played with this.

3) Kick Fana in the nut and make him do that NS-EU SCENE webby he was talking about it. Anyone that knows php or whatever he's doing go kick his ass too h'okay!

1 March 2006, 12:45

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Az Skyice

i agree with b1 100%, that is the way forward.

kinda what i said earlyer on ^ but alot clearer :P
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1 March 2006, 13:23

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Az ben

I'm more than happy to continue doing predictions but it was hard to give excellent premiership coverage past the first week because it fell straight to shit with deadlines going out the window.

1 March 2006, 13:38

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Fi weezer

we're more than happy to hear we'll be hearing more predictions from you ben !

1 March 2006, 13:46

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Az static

<csm`> hey tmk
<csm`> the link in the levi topic
<csm`> does not actually work
<csm`> as the saved file, is from macro mania
<csm`> the program included is macro scheduler
<csm`> which doesnt work
<csm`> have fun with that =]

1 March 2006, 17:39

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Fi weezer

(22:53:03) (@PhOeNiX`) I THINK YOU ARE SHITHEADS

1 March 2006, 18:08

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Az static

<essex-emo> im going to go slit my wrists

1 March 2006, 18:28

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

That MUST be our Benjie!

1 March 2006, 20:31

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Gb lump

All these suggestions have already been considered and more than a few are planned anyway, we just have a few things to go through before we can. Don't worry, the future is good.

Tah, read my "New System" thread. Only need is a strong enough website to make it work well.

2 March 2006, 01:37

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No Fana | Archaea

Tah you make me sad in so many ways.

2 March 2006, 11:50

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No Fana | Archaea

That's my way of saying "I disagree with pretty much everything you say" :\

I just have a lot of pent up aggression, coming out of the army n'all. Need to let out some steam.

2 March 2006, 13:14

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Az Skyice

see? team work owns.

2 March 2006, 13:58

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Az Skyice

Im all set for my exams now and im clanless so i have plenty of spare time if any help is needed...

2 March 2006, 14:25

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Uk sherpa | cisequaltothree

Yea I just got my autumn final exam results today.

In fact, to celebrate (not that getting a 2:2 class on every exam is particularly good) I'm gonna load up IRC and go abuse some Euros!

2 March 2006, 17:01

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Gb sublime | Spastic Colon

LOL YOU'RE WELL EXPERIENCED AT GAME DEVELOPING INNIT MARK SHITFACE.

4 March 2006, 11:57

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