The Vote

As some of you have noticed, we are conducting a vote to see how the league set-up will change for next season.

We're aiming to improve on the current system of league sizes based on 'number of applicant teams' and 'teams skill levels'.

The vote is taking place on our forums in this thread.

Simply read the options of 1, 2, 3 or 4 then reply in the thread with the option you would prefer.

If you wish to suggest any improvements on either of the 4 options please do so in another thread.


360ms on 25 February 06 21:54

History | Comments: 73


By: csm on 25/Feb/06 22:23
By: ZiGGY on 25/Feb/06 23:46
Cause I really think the opinions of the masses mean shit \o. (not voted)
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 26/Feb/06 00:11
Tom why not put a poll in joo newb?!

Zomg I was -this- close to clicking "post" when I spelt "poll" as "pole" zomg!
By: 360ms on 26/Feb/06 00:37
because people post links to the vote they want to win.
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 26/Feb/06 01:22
Great to see you making an effort to improve things, good job lump (and the rest of the team).
By: d- on 26/Feb/06 03:36
Go go Tommando.
By: tjo on 26/Feb/06 07:19
Opt 3 ftw!
By: 360ms on 26/Feb/06 08:49
Well mike said he's leaving NS :( so me n froggie are able to wreak our havok :P
By: lagga ( 9L ) on 26/Feb/06 15:14
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 26/Feb/06 17:26

At least we can get bs off now \o\
By: static on 26/Feb/06 18:45

blockscripts was such a stupid idea for so many reasons
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 26/Feb/06 19:15
Ya you know it Mark.

Personally I don't use them (I'm such a Saint), but since I switched my +attack key from mouse1 to space my pistolling has become crap, so I really could do with scripting my pistol
By: weezer on 27/Feb/06 00:57
i really could do with a lot of things too, why dont we get rid of the cal plugin as well since it restricts people from customizing the game

By: static on 27/Feb/06 10:45
Why don't we use consistancy 0 whilst we're at it. Face it tmk, people who can't script will macro, macros are more exploitative and you still can't detect them.
By: tjo on 27/Feb/06 11:11
You can if they are on your ftp...
By: pimppy on 27/Feb/06 13:32
By: Xur ( Netherlands ) on 27/Feb/06 14:46
lol tjosan, very true ;d
By: dema on 27/Feb/06 15:09
let the script/macro discussion begin again so this newspost will have a record amount of comments in NS history!!!
By: dema on 27/Feb/06 15:10
*edit* ha damn this is another thread ul anyway....
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 27/Feb/06 15:28
rofl tjosan =D
By: tjo on 27/Feb/06 17:20
"Yey", my e-penis just grew an inch...
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 27/Feb/06 18:11
own? down to tjosan's witty retort.

Please stop voting for option 2. :(
By: B1 ( iMAGINE ) on 27/Feb/06 18:20
none of them are really good options, 4 is the best one so far.
By: anderval on 27/Feb/06 18:27
option 2 is clearly the best!? after all playing 2 matches a week isnt going to be impossible for an inactive community that's just proved itself incapable of playing even 1 match per week
By: 360ms on 27/Feb/06 19:08
Teams struggled to complete matches in GO while still playing UGL and pcw's. The problem teams have is motivation and teams dieing as they aren't playing enough matches. Things are being very over simplified by people here.
By: tjo on 27/Feb/06 19:34
You need to strike a balance really.
By: Skyice on 27/Feb/06 19:53
less devisions = different skill lvls in each div.

We all know that lower skilled clans normaly don't make it through 2 seasons. If new clans have to play against high skilled clan(s) in there div they will either forfiet the match before it starts or they will rage quit during the game.
I should know, im in zick.
By: ReD on 27/Feb/06 20:03
"own? down to tjosan's witty retort."

rF* :x
By: 360ms on 27/Feb/06 22:12
Clans are not dominating the scene like they did for the previous year or so, infact the scene is similar to how it was in the months around the last attempt at a clanbase tourny but only less teams, a larger division is more plausable.
By: B1 ( iMAGINE ) on 27/Feb/06 23:32
i had an idea, but i posted it in the forum voting thread and it got deleted, cba rewriting it, maybe some admin read it though. ns competetive is getting really dull anyway.
By: 360ms on 28/Feb/06 00:54
I read it but it but the thread was starting to turn into a debate and I'd said about 2 posts above that I would clean the thread soon in red. I think your suggestion tied up with a few of the ideas we're thinking of anyway and you can always pimp them to frG.
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 28/Feb/06 01:47
Insane down :<

3 teams in the Premiership!
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 28/Feb/06 02:03
Hey I get to say s&m finished 3rd in the Prem league \o\

Levi-Knife the only game to be played. Gonna be a title decider.

Not that many of us cares about NS since Empires mod comes out on March 4th. It's like NS but runs on the Source engine and has a website. 'Nuff said.
By: weezer on 28/Feb/06 12:58
wooooooooo i am so excited, finally we have a shot at winning the premiership grande finals
By: GibbZ ( 9L ) on 28/Feb/06 13:27

I see no aliens =<
By: Xur ( Netherlands ) on 28/Feb/06 14:19
ns >> empires. full stop yeah. just need that stupid website back up and more players that's all ^^
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 28/Feb/06 15:26
Yaar, too right Zamma =)

Although, rather strangely, I don't get the fps drops on the Source engine like I do in the HL1 engine. And for all the bad press the HL2 netcode gets- I can see it being better in terms of gameplay than NS simply because you don't have to deal with celerity, leaping rocket skulks who leave their hitboxes back in Madrid/Warsaw.

So it makes up for the lack of flying skorpians.
By: B1 ( iMAGINE ) on 28/Feb/06 16:17
"empiresmod looks like boring crap shit (yes that term exists). If I wanted vehicles, huge maps and large teams I'd go fucking buy BF2." - Fana

Indeed, but atleast it's something else to try out while we wait for a game to replace hl1 NS. About time someone made a game with CPL standards, hasn't been one since what, cs came out? I actually thought empires was a bf2 mod, cause it sure looks the same crappy enviorment ;d , but if it's source i might just try it out.
By: Skyice on 28/Feb/06 20:20
ensl does need new ideas and it also needs fresh talent. The ensl admins are known to be lazy and, a few of them, hard to talk too.
We have seen several attempts of other leagues ect (nsgn for e.g.) and many more that have failed.
ensl needs more than 3 people to run it... and it needs people from different back grounds, not a group of people that have all been clanned together.
By: Skyice on 28/Feb/06 20:56
Wide range of admins = wide range of views, ideas and a better league.
By: frG ( TROLLS ) on 28/Feb/06 21:10
yes, i clanned with mike and lump, an no i am not lazy.
By: sublime ( Perfect Peckers ) on 28/Feb/06 22:26
Nuclear Dawn appears to be the real successor to ns, but we can all play empires to tide us over until then

HL just cant cope and that is why ns will never take off again.
By: GibbZ ( 9L ) on 28/Feb/06 22:28
well tbh empires looks alright for the odd game. Its a bit of a battlegrounds game. You will play now and then.

Nuclear dawn may not have aliens but that looks like a real game.
Pity that NS:S (IF IT EVER COMES OUT?) will own it.

NS on its own with the alien species gives more stuff to learn and to train at.


NS is a very skillfull game. I doubt u will get one with more skill.
By: static on 28/Feb/06 22:31
Nuclear Dawn will be shit, I'll be extremely surprised if it ever reaches Alpha, and I say that from my own experience as a game developer.

And even then, it will still be shit, it looks shit.
By: csm on 28/Feb/06 22:32
idd, it does rather look like a pimped ns mvm.
By: tjo on 28/Feb/06 22:45
I want skulks in all my games :(
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 28/Feb/06 22:52
NS being a very skillful game is ultimately it's downfall in the long run, in my opinion.

The huge skill gap between newbie and mediocre player is HUGE.

Who were the last top players to join NS? Off the top of my head- pantsu and Hickz. And I think both now go back to 3.0.
By: weezer on 01/Mar/06 00:46
uhh, hickz played in dw.ns a long time ago
By: static on 01/Mar/06 01:06
pantsu top ?!?!?!?!?!?


<3 <3 pantsu
By: aA on 01/Mar/06 02:15
hickz is a old player... like tmk said he played in dw.ns
By: GibbZ ( 9L ) on 01/Mar/06 02:50
jp^ you forgot to add me to the list. :o!

but no seriousley, NS is a skillfull game and yes this causes problems. Some noobs cba learning it. I cant remember how many people ive brought to this game saying try it for 2 weeks or so then ull get used to it. Out of 5 ppl i think 1 guy played it for more then 2 weeks at the start. He loved it. Unforunately his mom is tight and he cant play anymore =<

but yea. downfall upfall. either way. ns rox.
By: Mike on 01/Mar/06 03:00
reg is very helpfull in ns but whatever.
By: TaH on 01/Mar/06 06:30
" don't have to deal with celerity, leaping rocket skulks who leave their hitboxes back in Madrid/Warsaw"

rofl very nice!VERRRRRY NICE!!!! (aA :p)
Have you ever played a fucking boring game like WoW?!
play 6h a day/7days a week to get a belt with +2int +2str better stats as the belt you are already wearing!rofl

pls help me!! and create a new league/ladder that works and many people will come back from noobs united games like wow!

i'm not Jesus(NO i'm not)but after the 1° season i realised that this league wont work,and after the 2nd season i thought everyone
have to see it,but nooo same shit with the 3rd one!35 clan in the beginning 10 active at the end!

my idea is a fast ladder thats rewards active clans (1-2 wars a week) and inaktive clans( >2 wars in 3 weeks) can burn in hell!

-it wont be reseted after 7-10weeks !so if a clan folded it can't rename (1-2 rooster changes)and start in the first or 2nd div next season (they have to stick together more than 3 weeks to get placed under the top 3 (5 ,10 whatever)

-active "non Pro" Teams can get a place under the top 10 (i think its better than first one in Div5 rofl)

I think this is more honest than becoming the champion in this league cause you won 2-3 wars in a row -_-!

Your 4 options:

opt1: wont change the problem
opt2: only 3-5 clans can play this speed but they wont cause the championship titil lose in value,cause you can get one every month!
community wont grow
opt3:wtf oO
opt4:same shit like the last 2 seasons

What about the gamingorb, lump had started a few month ago?Did he quit cause fana said ladders suxX^^?i prefer my ladder to the ensl and your 4 opt!don't ask me for more details cause i m just a wow gamer (omg pls shoot me),but i hope i ve shown you some problems this league got and options for the next season!

dont complain about my leet english :>
Fana what about Fananation?/I <3 tutu-/froggies mom is fat/huhu saeppel/HiVeFiSh n00b/
By: TaH on 01/Mar/06 06:33
<2 can burn in hell :> n8
By: jiriki ( old people ) on 01/Mar/06 14:45
It's not the ENSL's fault people quit the league you know. Why invent a wheel again? ENSL does its job relatively well but (a lot of) clans don't.

"opt2: only 3-5 clans can play this speed but they wont cause the championship titil lose in value,cause you can get one every month!"
Well if you win 3-clan division (because other clans died/quitted), the title is not going to be any more valuable. And btw. opt2 doesn't require the league to be arranged every month. We could still arrange it like every 3 months.

If you can't play two games a week, well you're quite dead then. Half of the teams are propably going to quit the league, matter what we do. Shorter league is.. well more interesting and less static, and above all, it enables bigger division size which prevents the whole league from collapsing because half of the clans die / quit.

Thus we should try opt2 with bigger divisions and see if the outcome is better than current one. 6 weeks seem to be an eternity for current eu ns-scene. Those clans who are good, play usually a lot of matches, so the speed of the matches won't really be a problem for them.

This is speculation but I belive, when the speed of the league is higher, less clans would get jealous about other's people scores and less clans would rageguit.

Otoh, I believe we should ALSO try a ladder. EU NS-ladder wouldn't exclude EU NS-Leagues because playing matches is fully optional + ENSL won't be running all the time. The problem is that clans die and born all the time so the ladder wouldn't give a realistic picture of ns-scene. Eg. a prem clan dies and gets born with a slightly different team, meanwhile non-prem clans gets to the top. Then it'll take some time for it to reclaim its place. As this happens all the time, the whole ladder will get really mixed. Anyways, this is not necessarily a bad thing, since clans who have played actively deserve their place in the top. All this would encourage activity and more long-living clans - and actual scores from those matches (not the rankings) would help ENSL crew to arrange more balanced ENSL-divisions. Ladder would also be a nice choice for those who play less frequently but still play.
By: tjo on 01/Mar/06 15:04
I dont get why you all like opt 2. It's just like Opt 3 but with the added effect of a 20% bonus risk of killing the league.
By: weezer on 01/Mar/06 17:15
more like 100% bonus
By: Skyice on 01/Mar/06 18:33
we will never have a league that works. keep it how it is. when the ns site is back up we can talk with the americans again and we will all be happy..
By: B1 ( iMAGINE ) on 01/Mar/06 18:45
1) Get a full set of staff to work on this. Mike is quitting ns, right? Sounds to me that he won't be here to help ENSL anymore. 2 people ain't gonna cut it, 3 was also abit weak. Don't get me wrong here, you're all doing a great job, but it's obviously not enough.. People have private lives too, no? Get atleast 5 head admins that knows what's going on in competetive NS. Oh yeah, advertizing on this site about needed help ain't gonna work. Go ask people instead.

2) Sort out a shorter, better system for matches. Talk it over and use the public opinions as guidance. Make sure season 4 is played with this.

3) Kick Fana in the nut and make him do that NS-EU SCENE webby he was talking about it. Anyone that knows php or whatever he's doing go kick his ass too h'okay!
By: Skyice on 01/Mar/06 19:23
i agree with b1 100%, that is the way forward.

kinda what i said earlyer on ^ but alot clearer :P
By: ben on 01/Mar/06 19:38
I'm more than happy to continue doing predictions but it was hard to give excellent premiership coverage past the first week because it fell straight to shit with deadlines going out the window.
By: weezer on 01/Mar/06 19:46
we're more than happy to hear we'll be hearing more predictions from you ben !
By: static on 01/Mar/06 23:39
<csm`> hey tmk
<csm`> the link in the levi topic
<csm`> does not actually work
<csm`> as the saved file, is from macro mania
<csm`> the program included is macro scheduler
<csm`> which doesnt work
<csm`> have fun with that =]
By: weezer on 02/Mar/06 00:08
By: static on 02/Mar/06 00:28
<essex-emo> im going to go slit my wrists
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 02/Mar/06 02:31
That MUST be our Benjie!
By: 360ms on 02/Mar/06 07:37
All these suggestions have already been considered and more than a few are planned anyway, we just have a few things to go through before we can. Don't worry, the future is good.

Tah, read my "New System" thread. Only need is a strong enough website to make it work well.
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 02/Mar/06 17:50
Tah you make me sad in so many ways.
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 02/Mar/06 19:14
That's my way of saying "I disagree with pretty much everything you say" :\

I just have a lot of pent up aggression, coming out of the army n'all. Need to let out some steam.
By: Skyice on 02/Mar/06 19:58
see? team work owns.
By: Skyice on 02/Mar/06 20:25
Im all set for my exams now and im clanless so i have plenty of spare time if any help is needed...
By: sherpa ( cisequaltothree ) on 02/Mar/06 23:01
Yea I just got my autumn final exam results today.

In fact, to celebrate (not that getting a 2:2 class on every exam is particularly good) I'm gonna load up IRC and go abuse some Euros!
By: sublime ( Perfect Peckers ) on 04/Mar/06 17:57

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