Season 9 seedings.

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#91
So you get up in the seeding list the more you talk in forums interesting...
But I think we should follow zeframs vision to have 5 team prem division, even if 2 teams disband midseason. This way twitch viewers watchins ns2 ''esports'' wont get upset if there is different results than 2-2. #autismisntcurable
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#92
I will trust the judgement of yaluzan and vindaloo who i believe have the final call on this list - however, I want to state again that they at the very least should get a comment from each team of where they belong. If there is a disagreement between what the admins believe and what the team believes those are the only problems that could possibly arise.

I also fail to see why its nessesary for each division to be of equal size. The only reason i can see for it, it the planning part, which imo easily can be unique for every division, although that would demand some pre-production of the season and scheduling of it. The divisions dont play each other, and the playoffs are only for every division.

Im not terribly concerned about inequal sizes - im more concerned with the question: "Are people getting to spend their time in a forfilling way in this season?".

Also - new teams should play seeding matches if disagreement between the percieved skill level and the statement from the team doesnt match up - These lists are based on theory, maybes and knowledge of individual players personal skill, but no real results.
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#93
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this seeding is so bad b/c u have newcomer tournament teams (portent and ATV) in the same bracket as low div1 players (dies irae and like a glove)

3 division season would be way better.

what is the actual downside with having a longer season? are you guys avoiding this because you just haven't done this? or are there actual issues with 8 teams a division vs 6 teams?

ydy says

Regarding 3 or 4 divs, I wanna point out that having 8 or 9 teams per div is much better for bracketing than 6 or 7. I don't care much beyond that.

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#94
I really don't get why seeding the teams is so complicated. Just put the teams in the div they want to be in, it's that simple.

-If the div a team wants to be in is perceived to be too high, the so be it, worse comes to worse they get stomped, but at least that team is motivated to play since they are playing at the skill level they want to be at.

-if the div a team wants to be in is perceived to be too low, organize a seeding match and move up depending on the result.

It really is that simple, don't know why were moving teams around without their input....kinda retarded. Even if the amount of teams isn't even, it's not a big deal, this has happened before and can be planned around.
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Alite says


-if the div a team wants to be in is perceived to be too low, organize a seeding match and move up depending on the result.

If a team wants to be in a lower division, what's stopping them from purposefully throwing/playing bad to show they belong in a lower division? We've been around the block a few times, Alite.
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#96
phonee says

what is the actual downside with having a longer season? are you guys avoiding this because you just haven't done this? or are there actual issues with 8 teams a division vs 6 teams?


If you read my post, I gave downsides to longer season.

1. More opportunity for teams to lose interest in playing, and just forfeit, especially if/when new games come out over 3 months.
2. Season drags into middle of the summer, a common time for most players to go on vacation, making scheduling even harder.
3. As a result of 1 and 2, the admins have to allow proportionate time for makeup matches for weeks when teams struggled to schedule.

These are things to consider when choosing 3 divisions vs 4. Not to mention that each division will have teams playing eachother with much higher skill disparities.
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#97
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I prefer 4 divisions. There is a lot of skill disparity in the middle level teams.

4 Divisions is faster. Basically the difference between 2 month and 3 month season given the longer the season is, the more like teams will drop out, become inactive, and the more "makeup weeks" we have to give. It also means the finals will be closer to the middle of the summer.... yeaaa yuck.


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I would switch Dies Irae and TAW .af but other than that i think it should be a 4 division season, there is just too many teams, it would be like season 6 d1 again. But maybe move Kaamos up to div 1 and leave div 2 with slightly less players?
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14 March 2016 - 20:31 EDT
#98
I still don't understand why FunnyBubblers keeps getting put in div 4? They dominated div 3 last season and only lost to us.
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#99
team lag will liquidate if put in div 3
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aint gonna play div 3 lol
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Starcetereus says
I still don't understand why FunnyBubblers keeps getting put in div 4? They dominated div 3 last season and only lost to us.


They can play a seeding match?

Also niether my seedings nor phone's seedings are the actual seedings, just opinions on the seedings.
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openyafaceup says
team lag will liquidate if put in div 3


Play a seeding match?

Also niether my seedings nor phone's seedings are the actual seedings, just opinions on the seedings.
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Nightsy says
aint gonna play div 3 lol


You should play a seeding match?

Also niether my seedings nor phone's seedings are the actual seedings, just opinions on the seedings.
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happy to play seeding match , TAW.af or Alan Snackbar ? there div 2 right ?
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Hello friends,

@yuluzan @simba @anyone else in charge of seedings/placements or who is making their personal lists:

I know that some of you might see just the tip as an unknown because 1. We are new team this season and 2. The fact that we are on the other side of the planet, but here are some facts that should help you in your decision making.

1. Members of this team made the quarter finals for the WC
2. All of this team are composed of players from the top 2 teams in aus during season 4 of our domestic League (and from the previous 3 seasons as well)
3. Two/Thirds of this team is composed of members from Shaft who made the semi finals of season 6 are were likely to contest Titus for a spot in the finals had Shaft not lost interest and dropped out.
4. We have an awful team name therefore we are good

We can play seeding matches if you really want (NB timezone differences require us to plan these ahead of time), but I think the above is sufficient enough to warrant a div 1 placement.
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15 March 2016 - 00:47 EDT
migalski says
Lucky Chams
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Should Duke It out for 1/2 spots in div 1
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Kaamos
seize & decyst
Pell-Mell
JUST THE TIP
Like A Glove
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Split Div 2 into A and B who duke it out at the end Like East Vs West
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Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Flightless Lerks
TAW .af
All Terrain Vehicles
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Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers
Flightless Lerks
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Div 3
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TAWmageddon
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Just my Opinion


ATV as newcomers should not play div 2. FunnyBubblers cant play in both divs.
Div 2 split in half only gives us 3 teams to play against that kind of defeats the purpose of having a season.

div 1:
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Kaamos
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div 2:
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TAW .af
Flightless Lerks
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
Potent
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My opinion. As good as it gets.
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Nightsy says

ATV as newcomers should not play div 2. FunnyBubblers cant play in both divs.
Div 2 split in half only gives us 3 teams to play against that kind of defeats the purpose of having a season.

div 1:
Lucky Chams
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Mikillæti
Pell-Mell
Kaamos
I'm Dissapointing
seize & decyst
JUST THE TIP

div 2:
Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Like A Glove
TAW .af
Flightless Lerks
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
Potent
All Terrain Vehicles
SectorPlus
SchichtImSchacht S9
Angry Chickens
F4
.js

My opinion. As good as it gets.

+1, I really think there should be 3 divs
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bonage says
Hello friends,

@yuluzan @simba @anyone else in charge of seedings/placements or who is making their personal lists:

I know that some of you might see just the tip as an unknown because 1. We are new team this season and 2. The fact that we are on the other side of the planet, but here are some facts that should help you in your decision making.

1. Members of this team made the quarter finals for the WC
2. All of this team are composed of players from the top 2 teams in aus during season 4 of our domestic League (and from the previous 3 seasons as well)
3. Two/Thirds of this team is composed of members from Shaft who made the semi finals of season 6 are were likely to contest Titus for a spot in the finals had Shaft not lost interest and dropped out.
4. We have an awful team name therefore we are good

We can play seeding matches if you really want (NB timezone differences require us to plan these ahead of time), but I think the above is sufficient enough to warrant a div 1 placement.


Good to know you guys are playing this season. I have heard rumor that since some on your roster are also on the OTHER Aussie team, your team might fold.

Ultimately though, I have NO power to affect seedings. It's all Yaluzan.
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Starcetereus says
Nightsy says

ATV as newcomers should not play div 2. FunnyBubblers cant play in both divs.
Div 2 split in half only gives us 3 teams to play against that kind of defeats the purpose of having a season.

div 1:
Lucky Chams
Vanquish
Mikillæti
Pell-Mell
Kaamos
I'm Dissapointing
seize & decyst
JUST THE TIP

div 2:
Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Like A Glove
TAW .af
Flightless Lerks
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
Potent
All Terrain Vehicles
SectorPlus
SchichtImSchacht S9
Angry Chickens
F4
.js

My opinion. As good as it gets.

+1, I really think there should be 3 divs

Looks fine to me, if 3 divs. +1
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Nightsy says
migalski says
Lucky Chams
Vanquish
I'm Dissapointing
Mikillæti
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Should Duke It out for 1/2 spots in div 1
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kaamos
seize & decyst
Pell-Mell
JUST THE TIP
Like A Glove
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Split Div 2 into A and B who duke it out at the end Like East Vs West
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Flightless Lerks
TAW .af
All Terrain Vehicles
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers
Flightless Lerks
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Div 3
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TAWmageddon
Potent
SectorPlus
FunnyBubblers
SchichtImSchacht S9
Angry Chickens
F4
.js
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just my Opinion


ATV as newcomers should not play div 2. FunnyBubblers cant play in both divs.
Div 2 split in half only gives us 3 teams to play against that kind of defeats the purpose of having a season.

div 1:
Lucky Chams
Vanquish
Mikillæti
Pell-Mell
Kaamos
I'm Dissapointing
seize & decyst
JUST THE TIP

div 2:
Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Like A Glove
TAW .af
Flightless Lerks
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
Potent
All Terrain Vehicles
SectorPlus
SchichtImSchacht S9
Angry Chickens
F4
.js

My opinion. As good as it gets.


+1

I don't think anyone would argue otherwise tbh.

Personally I like the idea of returning to 4 divisions, but due to the skill level being so close in many situations, but so drastically different in others, trying to fit people into 4 divisions would end up making some people just not want to play.
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I wish we had a ladder running ALONG SIDE seasons so we had a permanent seeding list :)
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Nightsy says


ATV as newcomers should not play div 2. FunnyBubblers cant play in both divs.
Div 2 split in half only gives us 3 teams to play against that kind of defeats the purpose of having a season.

div 1:
Lucky Chams
Vanquish
Mikillæti
Pell-Mell
Kaamos
I'm Dissapointing
seize & decyst
JUST THE TIP

div 2:
Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Like A Glove
TAW .af
Flightless Lerks
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
Potent
All Terrain Vehicles
SectorPlus
SchichtImSchacht S9
Angry Chickens
F4
.js

My opinion. As good as it gets.


+1
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Nightsy says


ATV as newcomers should not play div 2. FunnyBubblers cant play in both divs.
Div 2 split in half only gives us 3 teams to play against that kind of defeats the purpose of having a season.

div 1:
Lucky Chams
Vanquish
Mikillæti
Pell-Mell
Kaamos
I'm Dissapointing
seize & decyst
JUST THE TIP

div 2:
Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Like A Glove
TAW .af
Flightless Lerks
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
Potent
All Terrain Vehicles
SectorPlus
SchichtImSchacht S9
Angry Chickens
F4
.js

My opinion. As good as it gets.


+1 even though you're german
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Nightsy says


ATV as newcomers should not play div 2. FunnyBubblers cant play in both divs.
Div 2 split in half only gives us 3 teams to play against that kind of defeats the purpose of having a season.

div 1:
Lucky Chams
Vanquish
Mikillæti
Pell-Mell
Kaamos
I'm Dissapointing
seize & decyst
JUST THE TIP

div 2:
Alan Snackbar
KelaKorvausKöyhille
Like A Glove
TAW .af
Flightless Lerks
Dies irae
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
Potent
All Terrain Vehicles
SectorPlus
SchichtImSchacht S9
Angry Chickens
F4
.js

My opinion. As good as it gets.


seems legit for a 3 div seeding tbh. +1
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+1 for Nights - he did it. If there are any teams that are joining at last minute, I say put them in the division they fit, but don't change where the current teams are in Nights list. This is it. Unless a team doesn't like their current placement, please speak now or forever hold your...
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Gosh I don't know guys, I think this alternative seeding might be better. Just my own personally crafted opinion though.

div 1:
seize & decyst
Lucky Chams
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I'm Disappointing
Mikillæti
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JUST THE TIP
Kaamos

div 2:
Flightless Lerks
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HBZ
Like A Glove
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TAW .af
OverThePantsHandJob
FunnyBubblers

div 3:
TAWmageddon
SchichtImSchacht S9
.js
Potent
All Terrain Vehicles
SectorPlus
Angry Chickens
F4
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Ya now that HBZ is in eddy's seedings looks good (except #1).
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Good update eddy, you added HBZ so your divisions look good. As long as Lucky Chams is ok with it, you guys can go into S9 as the number 1 seed in the game. You've earned it.
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