Night Cup Finals

Hi,

There have been a few changes and subsequent delays over the course of NSNC12, but finally the end is near.

There was some debate over how fair the original loser bracket format was, as it was effectively a back door into the finals without any real handicap to the "winner of the losers" or any advantage to the "winner of the winners".

So we have decided that the losers bracket will only go as far as a Bronze Final match. This leaves us with two finals to be played to wrap up NSNC12 but unfortunately we are out of time this weekend.

Finals: Flatline vs the clan
Bronze Finals: The sproggalots vs Not Really Sure

These games will be played sometime in the next week (next weekend at the latest).

It has been a learning experience for me running this Night Cup and I hope the next one will not be so messy. Watch out for NSNC13 in the coming weeks!

Thanks.

Update:

Finals to be played tonight (Sunday 27th July) at 20:00 CET.

Good luck!

Admirable on 21 July 08 01:03

History | Comments: 30

Comments

By: Cobi on 21/Jul/08 01:45
Booo !
By: BerglunD ( Snowrollers ) on 21/Jul/08 02:19
how cute
By: mu on 21/Jul/08 03:14
the handicap is that you have to win 6 rounds over 4 maps if youre losers bracket finalists and only 3 rounds over 2 maps in winners bracket finals
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 21/Jul/08 05:15
It's not a true loser/lower bracket, as the winner of the lower bracket doesn't play the winner of the upper bracket in the tournament final.

So it's not a handicap, as you can't actually win the tournament if you get knocked down to the lower bracket, mu.
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 21/Jul/08 05:16
Wow nevermind, I'm an idiot. Learn to read brackets!? Delete the last comment and this comment to save me from humiliation please! :(
By: GibbZ ( 9L ) on 21/Jul/08 06:47
:D
By: Bacillus ( Quaxy ) on 21/Jul/08 12:51
What about GB? Shouldn't they be in the Loser's bracket finals?
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 21/Jul/08 14:45
Aha! I was right in the first place. How typical.

The disadvantage of coming from the lower bracket into the final should be that you have to win two maps, while the upper bracket team only has to win one map. That's how it's done in all the big CS tournaments, anyway.
By: BerglunD ( Snowrollers ) on 21/Jul/08 16:17
who cares about cs? :/
By: Tweadle on 21/Jul/08 16:37
I like lower bracket idea just because it means that teams are more likely to play a clan of their own skill level at some point. This is the first time we've ever had objections to the concept and i'm not entirely sure why :(
By: Admirable ( coolclan ) on 21/Jul/08 17:52
There needs to be a handicap akin to what Fana has said.

Also the first round matches should be random instead of "strong team" vs "weak team".
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 21/Jul/08 18:43
If you don't seed matches, the lower bracket has to lead to a final against the upper bracket winner. If not, you risk having the best match in the first round, and the teams who should've been placed 1 and 2 instead end up placed 1 and 5-8.
By: mu on 21/Jul/08 20:13
Double elimination really isnt hard to grasp:

you seed all teams

1 plays 8, 2 plays 7, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5

Seeds 1, 3, 6 and 8 on 1 side of upper bracket, with 2, 4, 5 and 7 on the other.

If you lose you go to lower bracket. Winners of upper bracket play each other to get to finals.

Losers of that match play winner of lower bracket. Losers of this match take bronze, winners go into finals.

To win finals, upper bracket wins one round (and tournament) by knocking the other team out of lower bracket.

Since you can only leave the tournament by losing in lower bracket, the winners of lower bracket must beat the upper bracket finalists not only once to put them in the lower bracket, but twice to then knock them out of tournament totally.



save this as doubleelimination.txt
By: mu on 21/Jul/08 20:45
you dont need to seed but its better imo ?!
By: Admirable ( coolclan ) on 21/Jul/08 22:34
"Since you can only leave the tournament by losing in lower bracket, the winners of lower bracket must beat the upper bracket finalists not only once to put them in the lower bracket, but twice to then knock them out of tournament totally."

This is the handicap we were missing.

Good work mu :)
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 21/Jul/08 23:27
Good work mu?! Fuck you, I suggested it first.

GOD

DAMNIT
By: mu on 21/Jul/08 23:41
its the bog standard double elimination system

nobody thought of anything new

you noobs!
By: Tweadle on 22/Jul/08 00:50
I like it.
By: frG ( TROLLS ) on 22/Jul/08 01:50
wow, this style of winner/fana bracket has been used almost everywhere for years, including 3vs3 in wow and 5vs5 in wow invitiational events.

Nonetheless its the best system, would be good to see this in the next nightcu.
By: frG ( TROLLS ) on 22/Jul/08 01:51
+p
By: Admirable ( coolclan ) on 22/Jul/08 02:38
I say again,

ALL HAIL KING MU
By: mu on 22/Jul/08 05:56
NS-I had this system
By: Fana ( Archaea ) on 22/Jul/08 09:11
I am going to stab you in the mouth and piss on your forehead.
By: gobot ( Stray Dogs ) on 22/Jul/08 20:25
Loser bracket was fine. Kept you a bit longer in the tournament
By: pathy on 22/Jul/08 21:17
lol, we (NrS)got to the finals!? we only played one game and lost it 2-0.
By: csm on 25/Jul/08 20:05
"It has been a learning experience for me running this Night Cup and I hope the next one will not be so messy."

After 11 cups? ._.
By: Iots ( el'pheer ) on 27/Jul/08 17:24
'FFFFFFFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'

you cunt
By: Starchy ( Anonym Anti Anti A. ) on 28/Jul/08 05:28
csm do you just like cs manager or something?
By: GibbZ ( 9L ) on 28/Jul/08 05:30
it stands for CaptainScum[UK]
By: sublime ( Perfect Peckers ) on 28/Jul/08 17:49
On CS manager I bought spacejesus then my clan folded :(

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