2BALLS 3 - 1 Stray Dogs

spawncamp initiated

get balls

Got balls. Got 2.

im going to spec it so please do something stupdi to entertain me

Necros you should be more humble. I want to see you fading against 1 div. clan in ENSL, not in gather or pcw.

why would you want to see a fade dying after his first swipe?

he wants to see good fade, cuz fading described by Necros Dogo can do by himself^^

Grats SD !!

GG SD

nice one SD

2balls failed or SD surprises?

Well done SD, you put up a much better fight than we anticipated.

dugi's rage initiated

And you all seem like suprised!?! Well I was little bit too for not winning dugi 4-0

Yup your lucky day

More like a bad call of me to make AA instead of W2 against DCs.

Good game. That matchs against good teams give us more experience, and help us to grow.
I am happy with active SD again and see old friendly faces and some more new.

Go SD!!!! I'm rooting for you this season :)

Don't get excited. DCs in Origin is kinda imba, otherwise you would have got rolled.

Now now jiriki; play nice.

well we could counter dcs on origin against Russian Standard jiriki. THEY DEFINITELY ROCKED YOU WITH THEIR SKILLZ.

meh jiriki made one point. Any team with good teamwork and alright skulks can put up an extremely good fight vs a high skilled team on origin with DCs. It's the only real flaw with the map imo, although I've dreamt of countless ways to improve origin myself.

Any team with good teamwork can win any round. Ours was an obvious fluke streak

Not true TrC. Take 6 highskilled marines on a map like veil or tanith where you have nice open nodes like fusion (tanith), cargo (both), double (veil), and they can make mince meat out of the best team rush / ambushes with a good meds. You need skill aswell. On origin though with that dc tactic, you have like 2-3x more time due to the DCs heal, you can take twice as much damage per skulk because of the heal/cara, and you have a height advantage and 5 entrances to rush from, making it impossible to take double. Going for ore or vent is time costly to the marines and both routes are easily ambushed.

a dc tactic is not unbeatable, and it would be a lie to say they only won because of that. watch the veil demo. 2balls fade flashed, skulks got dominated by SDs lmgs. on alien they did just as good, with the pressure team down before they reached any node.

it is mainly the lack of commander which stopped them from taking marines (bad pressure on veil, comm didnt see OBVIOUS baserush inc on tanith, etc) and lack of really good fades for aliens.

It wouldnt make sense that when double is going down there would be ambush to the way leading vent and you dont need to take double first you can take ore down first go to the upper level of double and chambers and nodes are easier to take down if you are unhappy with that go straight to the hive take your time. A good teamwork is always better than invidual skill, it is very rare, best you see nowdays is a all rush gogo and try to time it correctly however that is not how its most efficient.

In case you didn't notice, I crashed midgame in veil as a commander. On aliens SD's pressure team died on the way to cargo and I was capping dbl nodes at minute 2:00 or something. Fade flashed cos of lack of parasites / communication, so yea I agree we have to work on that.

MP, there was a counter for JPHMG's in 1.04 but its still imba. But yea its still my fault for not getting W2 and going up there to kill the DC (we did it the 2nd time, and I think I asked for it the 1st time but I'm not sure).

Necros, nobody is saying DC tactic in origin is unbeatable. There is no tactic that isn't unbeatable. It just gives you a lot better chances than anything else in current version. I agree there was some occasional failure on our part in alien round, but losing an alien round was far from likely.

Ore is very very risky, caraskulks and a lerk can roll the marines either in lift or when defending Ore.

This is something that'd impress me.

I didn't watch the games, still, the resultat is there. Congratulations to SD for getting a round !

My point is TrC; your other options BAR double are ore and vent. Both have routes which are easily ambushable. I'm not saying they'd have an ambush after killing double; they wouldn't get the chance to kill double.

Good teamworks important, but just as are tactics, gamesense and skill; and they all overlap.

imbalanced != unbeatable

Also TrC; you can have the best teamwork in the world, but try running SCs on a map like veil vs a good comm. Teamwork won't save you then!

"Don't get excited. DCs in Origin is kinda imba, otherwise you would have got rolled."

Heh.

we had no common practise together yet, so wait until we get knowing each other by heart
and something about a sober com :D luw ya zintaks

well DC tact from New Team wasn't a big challange for take over...

Well, then you are obviously superior to all the other clans out there, eh? And on individual level you probably outskill two thirds of the players.

Best way to get tactic down in origin if they're going dcs is to siege. I would have yelled FUCK THE RUSH GO SIEGE before, but we had 2 sgs (who miserably failed by the way) although it was useless because of the 6 man camping in double.

We recapped nice at the beginning but jiriki decided to go long game without damage 2 (against dcs ahurhur jiriki nub). All the fades went 1hp everytime they pushed us, with damage 2 those fades would have died and we could have focused to go for proto. Then fades without scs and me & tane pwning everyone would have ended in spawncamp.

I don't want to take their credit away. They played like they usually do but we fucked up like no one ever did ;D so, that combination makes this score. I would like to say they epicly played but I didn't see much of a resistance on the life forms or as marines, so that's my opinion.

Anyway good game, keep trying and improving ;).

miglecz your lerk is fucking bad

:D jeah i was very shit, died 1000 times, did a lot crazy things, like: i tried to smash you in the lift but got 3 sg in the face
i didnt have any practise last week
and DC is not for lerk obviously

roflcopter

best chamber for lerk dc's :D

rofl mafl pofl

Almost i see what this match was a good show for the spectators. Thx for support us again,guys.

gibbz thats bullshit ofc any team with good teamplay can win against a highskilled team. The lowerskilled team has 2 advantages. First of all the enemy consists most times just of rambos.
Put Scale aA and doogie in a team and you lose against EVERYONE.
Secondly the highskilled team could underestimate you.

Nah, origin is my fault. I should have told the guys to go kill the DC the first time (I think I did but I'm not sure). Then I just thought 2 sgs + medpacks = aliens down. Also I didn't get W2 as dugi said, but siegeing wasn't a good idea at first cos they had only one node.

"Well, then you are obviously superior to all the other clans out there, eh? And on individual level you probably outskill two thirds of the players." Be intresting to see a DC tatic Vs take over from rambos

I think you guys are blowing this whole thing a little out of proportion. We lost ONE marine round.

They played well and they deserve the point but some people seem to act like it was 4:0 to SD.

Tbh, i dont really think it is jirikis fault. Tane auctually saved a PG + killed a fade with a hmg. That would never have happend anyways. And the reason why fades escaped with so low hp, was because they had a hmg. So TBH, i dont really see it as a big mistake to go AA... What really costed the game in the end was the 2 guys dying at ventilation in the end. Or well, this was proberly only one of many mistakes, but this was the last.

GG , didnt watch the end but I have to mention that we mostly failed on veil alien cause we had our mcs at 3 mins or sth? I was surprised that after the lack of practice and the loss of a few players we were still able to steal one round :D

lol, excuses

Well you didn't steal, we mostly GAVE it to you.

DMG2 SGS can easily take fades down sonder.

we did the chamber mistake u did the wrong upgrades on origin. It is not about giving or stealing anyhting. It´s just about mistakes that happen

Then don't use steal as a verb ;D

How embrassing how could you

FU noobs! We were better team 1 round and you were 3. Thats why score is 3 - 1 no excuses.

IsoK in angry mode!

Isok is calling people noobs LOOOK OUT NO ONES SAFE including dugi

Lets get some stats.

w1 hmg = 37 bullets to kill fade.
w2 sg (Perfect hits)= 5 shots.
hmg firerate = 20bullets/sec
sg firerate = ca. 1 shot/0,75sec.

If you get out 3 hmgs, which stick together, a fade will go down in 12-13 bullets.

3 hmgs = about the same as 4 sgs.
3 hmgs firing at 1 fade with 100% accuracy, will take - 12/20 = 0,6 sec, to kill.

4 sgs firing at a fade with 100% accuracy, will kill a fade in 1.5 sec. Because they need the last shot.

A little bonus about hmgs is also, they can shoot at distance. sg's cant.

This will be the same with 1 sg, vs 1 hmg. hmg wins.

If we calculate 2 hmgs, vs 3 sgs = same res.

3 sgs firing at 100% accuracy (5 shots needed) = 1.5 sec to kill fade.

2 hmgs firing at 100% accuracy (37 shot needed) = 19/20 = 0,95 sec. hmg wins.

nerd.

Nah more like good player

This is all relevant since there are players that have 100% accuracy.

sonder are these the results for cara level 0?

Its hard to calculate the aim % of good players, but the % are about even i would say, even a good SG aimer, can miss a whole shot. But HMG have alot of spread aswell. So i guess it evens up.

YEH YES MATHMATICAL SONDER IS TOTALLY CORRECT ON THIS I GIVE ME FULL 100% BACKING

I demand my nerd points cos I posted the damage calculator to him D:

ret I call you if someone needs you. Now goodbye!

You cannot use statistics alone without first putting them into context. To say that W1 HMGs are better in a map with short, narrow hallways just shows you're a total fucking idiot.

Please end that shit of discusion now.

cara 3 here.

2-2 if i comm'd SD :D

... maybe

Nova is imba

dcs on origin can get raped easily if you do a shit strat for them, SD musta done something else good, you can't just drop a dc at the top of double and leave it at that... lol

btw hmgs takes much longer to upgrade than w2.. has anyone taken this into account omg?!

all this nit picking is kinda pointless.

imo any individual action in a game can be made near meaningless by stronger teamwork throughout the game by either team.

Doctor, let's see if you are man of your words. PCW any time :>

Dogo doesn't want me to join SD, because he's tired of me telling him he's shit and that Mining a corner and standing in it with a SG is retarded.

.

and now is STFU time :D

Doctor, you are so prepotent. You was our com, and you sold us and leave of SD 3 times, when we are playing "well" you always want to join again. You sold us against russian standart and 2balls. Why do you want join SD again?
I am tired of you, really tired ....

i want him back :D

I want play with him too, but he can't sell us 3 times, be a prepotent and inactive player ...
If he want join again he must start to respect me , play pcws and stop be a preopotent.

playing in SD is about respecting dogo!
who is not respecting him cant be a really SD member
hola master

You are right "Rage-man" :P

SHUT UP! :D

lol lump, i told you origin was the best dc map!! owned :p

"playing in SD is about respecting dogo!
who is not respecting him cant be a really SD member
hola master"

I had dogo muted at the match... :P

"Put Scale aA and doogie in a team and you lose against EVERYONE. "
it used work pretty well in the past ; p

true fact i gave you little respect. And i left SD because i was unactive. So good luck.

div 3 vs div8 gues who is who

Dunno but we would need a special one at the bottom for you.

DONT INSULT PYRO ITS LIKE BEATIND DOWN A BLIND PUPPY

we played a public game yesterday in alien, and some 2balls played in marine, the map was origin, we had MC-s in double, Jiriki commanded, and they sieged double
Jiriki you'll have nightmares about sieging double if havent got already :D

active discussion here, huh..!

I want a special division

div 2 ---> div 1 ---> div 0!?!?

No, you had OCs in DBL, atleast I saw someone getting hit by OC. Then I just forgot the sieges there and later I heard a gorge building something in vent, scan, bam and recycle. I play public comm mostly just to try to practice my meds, which was horrible according to dugi. :D

Leave my public games alone Miglecz you creepy stalker, they're meaningless. I LMG/pistol solo'd franky's fade a while ago on public, but who cares.

Doogie always whine about meds, what an egocentric player.

Which is obvious since medspam aint enough to keep doogie alive :<

I remember when I was in div5 and knifed Oetel and Fana in the same public round. Best day ever.

Godamn. Just felt the urge to write here and explain some things.
- I've never played with TrC or IsoK
- I didn't know this was a real game
- I'm not very good at commanding
- I had the worst hangover of my life (woke up on the floor in nuuska (snuff/snus)+ vomit in sink + angry "cold shoulder" gf)
- We didn't have a real consistent tactic

2Balls with epic leet 2big2fail team played really really bad considering. TrC did some really nice work that day.. Really :')

your comm wasnt that bad anyway ;-)

( will this ever gonna end here? :o)

Gibbz SAID:
"I remember when I was in div5 and knifed Oetel and Fana in the same public round. Best day ever. "

Best day ever .. SAD LITTLE GIBBZ !

Syntax, you did your work well. We don´t need to put excuses, one round this match, 2 rounds next match. We only can play more and more and more, but not less in a future matchs. Right, guys?
Let´s GO !!

We are stray dogs, we can only look forward !

btw dogo did u get any new players for sd? i saw u put a recruit thread

Pilopo, Mulk, Homik, Trc, Isok.
But only Isok and Trc are actives and playing always what we need for them. And Doctor did back.
We are OK now, but i need gobot, kuo, sub-zero and some more playing more pcws with us !

jiriki if you feel bad with meds you can always look on mine and try to feel better :)